Maybe the Pope strikes a deal with a Muslim warlord and declares them the Western Roman Emperor in exchange for protection against the Lombards and Byzantines and giving them control over a large chunk of Italy. Just to really troll the Byzantines.
Depends, Ummayd might have claimed than their Caliphate would become the Muslim Rome(conquering the second, just the first one remaind), Abbasaid might be mixed, for them would finish the Rashidun work as they beat the Sassaniads and now the beat the Rum...I've already decided that the Byzantines will not reach the modern era, but the questions I'm still working on are: when do they get conquered; who are they conquered by; and to what extent do their conquerors claim Roman continuity? I don't want a copy of the Ottomans, but beyond that I'm still thinking.
That would be so funny if happen..maybe Poland Goes Orthodox?Maybe the Pope strikes a deal with a Muslim warlord and declares them the Western Roman Emperor in exchange for protection against the Lombards and Byzantines and giving them control over a large chunk of Italy. Just to really troll the Byzantines.
That would be so funny if happen..maybe Poland Goes Orthodox?
I'm playing with the idea of Charlemagne becoming Muslim (presumably by being sent as a hostage to al-Andalus) but I think that might be too much memes.Flavius Josephus Abderraman Firius, Vali of Andalusia, Restitutor Occidentalis, has a good ring to it. It would be bad politics to assume the title of Roman Emperor if you're technically on paper a subordinate of the Caliphate.
I'm playing with the idea of Charlemagne becoming Muslim (presumably by being sent as a hostage to al-Andalus) but I think that might be too much memes.
I'm playing with the idea of Charlemagne becoming Muslim (presumably by being sent as a hostage to al-Andalus) but I think that might be too much memes.
Could be a Lombard noble who's exiled to Al-Andalus and converts.
Must be one of the child of the Pippin family them...are not the Merogivean still alive? would be the mother of all ironies if we got a Muslim Clovis finally getting back his kingdom from the PippinsI'm playing with the idea of Charlemagne becoming Muslim (presumably by being sent as a hostage to al-Andalus) but I think that might be too much memes.
Nicea already happened, The Pope Superiority and the other archbishop challenged it already happened, iconoclasm is happening, meaning both are already very divergent and different faiths, plus the mutual excommunication in 1000's was just a formalityThis is well before the Great Schism, ther might not be an Orthodox-Catholic divide at all. Perhaps seeing the Pope subordinate himself to a heathen, the rest of Christendom break away. Thus the Pope, becomes defined as the head of Christian Church under Islamic rule, while independent Christian realms maintain their own church hierarchy.
I agree, though in this timeline, with Latin Christianity on the rocks, a reconciliation could certainly happen.Nicea already happened, The Pope Superiority and the other archbishop challenged it already happened, iconoclasm is happening, meaning both are already very divergent and different faiths, plus the mutual excommunication in 1000's was just a formality
Umm could be a path if allow the TL but again don't ignore how both branch didn't like the other that much.... still waiting to see what happen first both in Anatolia and Italian PeninsulasI agree, though in this timeline, with Latin Christianity on the rocks, a reconciliation could certainly happen.
Though I'm not saying it will mind you.
Depend what you Consider as Europe? seems they can't pull the 'europe ends at pyrennes' now...so could be pausable later onI wonder if North African mercenaries will become a standard feature of medieval European warfare ITTL?
I was thinking in places like France, Italy and Germany. One idea that I've had for a timeline where Islam was more prevalent in Medieval Europe was for Amazigh mercenaries to take part in a Norman invasion of England and are then resettled to help repopulate in the aftermath of the Harrying of the North.Depend what you Consider as Europe? seems they can't pull the 'europe ends at pyrennes' now...so could be pausable later on
I wonder if North African mercenaries will become a standard feature of medieval European warfare ITTL?
It ultimately depends on how much further Berber settlement there is in al-Andalus and other conquered European territories.I was thinking in places like France, Italy and Germany.
Yeah that was more a proposal if could happen, too early to happen anyway.It ultimately depends on how much further Berber settlement there is in al-Andalus and other conquered European territories.
The Austrasian nobility were still loyal to Drogo (who was 24 at the end of the war and therefore not an easily manipulable child) and Pippin only just won the war, so going on a new offensive soon afterwards would be a bad idea for him.Why hasn't Pippin annexed the kingdom of Austrasia and reunified the Frankish kingdom?