I have to agree with #80 on some parts, however as issue for me is why did they set up a territorial area, or is that just a vague description of where their tribe would be somewhat in control.So the race of super humans march out of left field laying waste to an entire professional Roman army.
With out answering critical questions just how big was the Teutones army to achieve this miraculous victory?
With out a great migration period how were the Germanic people able to concentrate enough man power to take on the might of Rome?
A Great War for Antiquity
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The War Starts to Pick Up
With the Roman Army in Iberia annihilated by the Germans the Carthaginians had more than a walkthrough in retaking the rest of the peninsula. When Hasdrubal landed in Iberia he planned on rebuilding his rather tarnished reputation and taking the war to Rome itself by invading Roman Gaul, guarded by only a few garrisons in cities and it would be a while before Rome could assemble an army to try and counter both the German and Carthaginian threat. Meanwhile Rome resorted to desperate measures to try and turn the war back in its favor. For the first time since the Second Punic War a Dictator was appointed with Appius Aemilianus being given the position. His first act was to order the withdrawal of Roman legions from Macedon, Epirus, and Greece and had Macedon and Epirus made a part of the Hellas League. National Conscription for all Roman citizens and allies was put in place, and legions in Corsica and Sicily were withdrawn.
Back in the east, Gaius Scipio was preparing for a daring assault he marched his army into Egypt and took camp there to prepare for an invasion of Carthage and Numidia. He had no official orders but he knew that with the Senate and Appius’s eyes busy with the Teutones and Carthaginians, he and his army were an afterthought.
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Appius Takes Command
Despite demands from Senators that the invading Carthaginian Army to be taken out first, Appius deemed the Germans a greater threat to Rome than a weakened-Carthaginian army led by a subpar commander. He assembled two armies and took command of one and gave command to his trusted commandant Decimus Antonius. Appius’s plan was to go at the Germans from two sides. Appius would command the frontal assault marching towards the Germans while Antonius would take command of the army that marches around the Germanic horde and would surround the Germans. The plan omitted any engagement with the Carthaginians but to satisfy the worried Senators, Appius left three legions to guard Italy in the case of Carthaginian penetration of Italy. For Hasdrubal and his army he had an easy walkthrough of taking over parts of Roman Gaul and decided to change his plans. Instead of taking over Roman Gaul, Hasdrubal made a march for Italy itself, emulating his great ancestor and father’s namesake, Hannibal. This would coincidently come in conjunction with another Carthaginian invasion of southern Italy that was based in Sardinia.
Back in Africa, Gaius Scipio was facing trouble with the Ptolemies. Egypt had been lukewarm about the war and had made little penetration into Numidia, focusing more on the Seleucids, and now with the Seleucids knocked out of the war was planning on returning to peace. Now with a whole Roman Army camped outside of Alexandria put a serious damper on their plans.
Gaius Scipio wanted and Egyptian support army, along with food for his army and it seemed the Ptolemies were intentionally trying to forestall and delay. Even when Gaius threatened to kill King Ptolemy himself it didn’t move things along any faster, many in the Egyptian court aspired to have him killed for his rudeness thinking that Rome would care little for the death of such a far-off general and already so focused on other things.
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Really like the arrival of the Teutones
wondering where the Cimbri went.
no critiques
silently wondering how the Teutones would manage
and how much of a prifit Carthage will have from it
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Chaos in Egypt
The continuing deteriorating relationship between Gaius and Ptolemaic court resulted in members of court conspiring to have Gaius killed for his “rudeness”. While dining one night the Ptolemies paid for one of Gaius’s cooks to poison his wine. The ploy worked and Gaius Scipio would die within two hours of drinking the poison. The Egyptians satisfied with their work now returned to their daily routines and completely ignored the Roman Army’s commanders. However it wasn’t over for the Egyptians, Scipio’s second in command Lucius Pullo suspected foul play and tortured the cooks until they admitted that they had been paid by the Ptolemies to kill Gaius Scipio. Lucius, Scipio’s most loyal commander, was enraged by this and informed the other commanders of the army of the Egyptians foul play. They all agreed to make the Ptolemies pay for their deceit. Lucius took command of the army and laid siege the city of Alexandria and sent out riders to rouse the native Egyptian populace help the Romans and overthrow their Greek overlords. Most of the natives happily replied and joined.
When the Roman Senate heard of the Egyptians wrongdoing and Scipio’s army’s response it instantly dispatched a fleet to blockade Alexandria’s port to prevent food shipments into the city. Meanwhile the Lucius’s army was becoming bloated with volunteers from native Egyptians, the Ptolemaic reign over Egypt was nearing in its death throes.
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thank you. The Teutonnes definately have given the Carthaginians an advantage.Really like the arrival of the Teutones
wondering where the Cimbri went.
no critiques
silently wondering how the Teutones would manage
and how much of a prifit Carthage will have from it
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The Fall of the Ptolemies
In the city of Alexandria, content for the Ptolemies was brewing. Infuriated over the situation their King and his court had gotten the city in to, the resentment grew so great that the King couldn’t leave the palace out of fear of lynching by his subjects. Meanwhile on the outskirts of the city, Lucius Pullo simply waited and laughed as he heard tales of the city’s growing resentment towards its own government. He knew he would only have to wait a little while longer for the city to fall. However to end the war in Egypt quickly and carry on with the larger war, he prepared to make plans for one grand assault on the great city.
The attack came in the middle of the night, nice and cool, and when the Alexandrian soldiers would be mostly asleep, Pullo was betting on the Ptolemies lack of military prowess. What resulted would become one of the most chaotic events in military history. As Romans overwhelmed the garrison, Alexandrian citizens fed up stormed the Ptolemaic palace and killed most of the Ptolemaic family. They also killed citizens who hadn’t joined the frenzied mob. One historian would note that only around 50 Alexandrians died that night at the hands of Romans, obviously false but it is assumed Alexandrian killed more of themselves then the Romans did.
The next morning what remained of the House of Ptolemy was brought before Lucius Pullo and after some insults Pullo informed the family that they were to be banished from ever setting foot on Egpyt, Rome, or any of Rome’s allies.
What remained of the Ptolemies most splintered off and went their own ways. Some fled to Carthage, others to Carthage’s colonies, some committed suicide, and some are rumored to have sailed all the way to India.
Following the expulsion of the Ptolemies, Lucius Pullo got busy. First he prepared proper funeral of Gaius Scipio and had his ashes scattered in the direction of Rome. Then he made a deal with his Egyptian allies. The deal was that in exchange for recognizing a native Egyptian Dynasty, the city of Alexandria would be made its own city-state and made a protectorate of Rome (with Pullo in charge of course). The Egyptians, happy to be rid of Alexandria and all remnants of the Ptolemies, happily agreed to the deal. Egyptian general, Aahotepre, was named Pharaoh and the beginning of the 27th Dynasty. While actually the 34th it was called the 27th to establish ties with the 26th Dynasty, that last time a native dynasty ruled over Egypt independently.
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Green: Carthage
Light Green: Carthaginian Influenced
Yellow Numidia
Brown: The Kingdom of Egypt
Red: The Protectorate of Alexandria
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Back in Gaul
Meanwhile back in Gaul, Appius and Antonius were moving at full speed to meet up the Teutones. Appius finally managed to make reach up with the Teutones and camped his army in front of the Teutones. His plan was to buy time for Antonius to maneuver around the Teutones. To do this he simply ignored the Teutones when the lined up for battle. This was confusing to both the Germans and Appius’s soldiers, who felt this was incredibly unmanly. Finally after about a week of just sitting around, Appius received news that Antonius was in position for attack. The next day Appius lined up his men, with him in the center of the army, and ordered the Roman Army to charge. The Teutones, surprised by the sudden attack, were caught off guard by the Romans but nevertheless prepared for a fight. Both the Teutones and Romans fought with fiercely against each other. For a while it appeared the Teutones would throw off the Romans but Antonius and his men arrived just in time with his soldiers and slammed into the rear of the Teutones. The battle continued throughout the night in a frenzy and by the time the sun arose over 100,000 Roman and Germans lied dead on the field, making the Battle of River Siene one of the bloodiest battles of Antiquity. Among the dead would be wives of warriors who had refused to retreat or taken part in the battle.
Over the next few days what remained of Teutones were hoarded off to slavery by the Romans or were escaped back into Germania. The Romans had little time to rest though, while Appius and Antonius had been pre-occupied by the Teutones, Hasdrubal and his army had crossed the Alps and were in Italy. When Appius received news of this, he instantly struck camp and began marching back to save Rome.
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To all those who read this.
I plan on continuing this timeline well beyond the Great War. I already have a load of ideas for where to take this TL but feel free to offer suggestions.
I plan on continuing this timeline well beyond the Great War. I already have a load of ideas for where to take this TL but feel free to offer suggestions.