A Gothic Empire

The thing that intrigues me the most about this timeline is the Roman Empire surviving in Egypt of all places. That would be soo cool to see a long term Romano-Coptic fusion instead of the Greco-Roman fusion we saw in OTL.
Also go Pelagian Britannia!

Ah, The Greco-Coptic is actually already present in Egypt. Latin is unlikely to be very important for all that longer.
 
So. How are the Aesti doing?

Around this time in OTL, they were engaged in diplomacy with the Roman successor states, especially Theoderic's Ostrogoths, trying to reopen the Amber Road.
 
What I meant was that how the ERE OTL became Greek speaking instead of Latin, it still was Roman politically and culturally (to a degree). I'm really curious if at some point the Coptic elements will eclipse the Greek ones in the Empire at some point.
 
While I have the 551-575 done, My computer's power supply is currently broken (IE Won't Charge, constantly turns off)

Would you guys like me to just post what I have?
 
551 - The Xionites are beginning to feel the pain of their supermassive Empire. Shahanshah Maues thusly decides to divide the Empire into two upon his death, an Indian and Iranian division at the Indus. Founding of the Turkic Khanate.


552 - Diplomats from the Eastern Roman Empire arrive in Antioch, capital of the Sassanids. With plans to discuss an alliance, the Sassanids are hesitant. The Xionites have renewed pressure on the Sassanids after the Gupta conquest, and as result, the Sassanids only agree to enter a defensive alliance with the Romans. Disappointing, but acceptable for Theodosius. Meanwhile, the Basques of Alamanni rise in revolt.


553 - The Basques ask Gallaecia for help in their independence war, Gallaecia accepts. The Huns begin an invasion of the Quadi, hoping to reconquer their lost lands.


554 - The Goths begin rebuilding their navy under the careful eye of Theudis. The Varini begin an invasion of the Alamanni seeing an opportunity to expand.


555- The Turks, successful in their rule of the eastern Steppe begin a mass invasion of central Asia, but are brought into direct conflict with the Xionites. Vernois begins an invasion of Dumnonia, while the Khalabhras force Kadambas to submit to their rule.


556 - Alammani accepts peace with the Basques and their allies, ceding minor border territories to Gallaecia, and granting the nation of Vascones independence. At the same time, they are forced to cede a good portion of their Aquitane holdings to the Varini as well as Narbo. Theudis dies after having successfully defended the core of his Empire from the Romans and reforming the navy and military. He is succeeded by his son Aethelric.


557 - The Quadi are defeated by the Huns and their Lombard mercenaries. The Quadi King flees with an army of loyalists North of the Danube. Thuringia begins an invasion of Treveror. End of the Liang Dynasty in China, and the foundation of the Chen dynasty. Beginning of the Northern Zhao Dynasty in China. Arrival of the Mungels in Europe, who settle near Hunnic Dacia.


558 - Treveror surrenders after Belgica invades from the west. The nation is split between Thuringia and Belgica. Veronis successfully defeats Dumnonia, annexing the majority of the country.


559- Death of Maues, the Xionite Empire is divided between the Xionite Empire proper, and the Huna Empire in India. Petra begins to diplomatically expand, bringing several cities under their domination.


560 - The Xionites successfully shove the Turks off their lands, battered by years of war, the Turks try their luck elsewhere. Death of Theodosius, as result, A massive rebellion sponsored by the 34th Dynasty of Egypt occurs in the Eastern Roman Empire. It is led by Paisius’ son, Shenouda.


561 - The Turks, beaten from their Central Asian ambitions, begin to push on Northern China. This causes great distress in the Northern Qi and Northern Zhao. The Goths, having sufficently recovered from their humiliating defeat against the Romans begin invading Roman held possessions in the Aegean, Anatolia, and Achaea.


562 - The Mungels begin to invade the Holy Hunnic Empire, at the same time the Quadi King returns with an army of Slavs to reconquer his former Kingdom. Athens falls to the Goths.


563 - Petra, now with the backing of several city states, begins to occupy parts of Sinai and the Levant. By this point, all of the Southern Nile has fallen to the 34th Dynasty. Paul, son of Theodosius, begins to realize that it’s going to be near impossible to hold both Egypt and Greece. Camulod begins an invasion of Veronis.


564 - After 62 years, the Lex Burgundionum, and subsequent peace in Burgundy ends, as the war hardened Varini begin a massive invasion. Pro-Gothic revolts occur in the collapsing Hunnic Empire. Emperor Paul accepts peace with the Goths, giving back much of Vitalian’s Conquests, including all of the mainland. This coincides with the 34th Dynasty gaining access to the Mediterranean.


565 - The Holy Hunnic Empire accepts peace with the Quadi, who, now having intermarried with the Slavic nobility, declare the Kingdom of Quaddonia. Dumnonia declares war on Veronis, intent on reclaiming its lost lands.


566 - The Vandals begin to take portions of the Dalmatian Coast, the Holy Hunnic Empire is in near total collapse, with the Mungels occupying most of Dacia, the Goths having retaken much of the South, the last major holdout is the remainder of Illyria they hold, and pockets in Dacia.


567 - The Varini are beaten back by the Burgundians who then force them to cede some minor lands to them. The Holy Huns collapse, with the Mungels taking all of Dacia. A rump state dominated by the Lombards is left in Illyria.


568 - The 34th Dynasty leads a direct assault on Roman-held Alexandria. It fails, but the fighting is brutal, and 20% of the city is destroyed. By this point Emperor Paul has fled to the fortress city on Constantina. Camulod successfully conquers Veronis, giving a good chunk of the western lands to Dumnonia, however, they still occupy much of former Dumnonian lands. Camulod declares the Kingdom of Tewtona.


569 - The Taifals in Northern Varini rebel, supported by the Batavi. The Turks begin an invasion of the Northern Qi.


570 - Both sides in the Egyptian revolt are becoming increasingly war warry. The Sassanids, watching the situation agree to help after the Romans send a plea for reinforcements. The Narsehns unite Eastern Arabia under their banner, beginning to convert the populace to Zoroastrianism.


571 - The Vakatakas Dynasty collapses, and is absorbed by the ambitious Chalukya Dynasty and Kalinga, which takes much of the western portion of the country. The Prophet Hansin is born in Nala.


572 - The Romans and 34th Dynasty come to a cease fire. Rome keeps Palestine and what parts of Sinai aren’t occupied by Petra. They also keep the Nile Delta and Cyrene. The Rest of Egypt is given to the semi-victorious Shenouda, who places his capital in Oxyrhynchus, and declares Egypt a Cyrillian Christian state. Meanwhile, Northern Zhao debates intervention against the Turks.


573 - The Huna Empire leads an invasion of Malwa, after the local King refuses to pay a demanded tribute. Dyfed allies Britannia in the face of aggression by Tewtona.


574 - Sicily occupies the port city of Rhegium in the Italian Peninsula. Sicily’s relation with Burgundy prevent the Vandals from invading, but they besiege the city. Axum begins to build up in face of Petra and Narsehns.


575 - The Malwa surrender to the Huna, being absorbed by them. The Scots begin to be pushed off the island by a Pictish counterattack.
 
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Your 560 entry seems a little off:

The Xionites successfully shove the Turks off their lands, battered by years of war, the Turks.

It looks like you had more after the Turks at the end there but the sentence abruptly stops.

I know we're still a century out but, given my thorough playing around at that start date in CK2, I am interested to see what Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East look like by 769/775.
 
Hope your laptop will get fixed soon :) Always enjoy a nice map.
Well after two days of testing, I'm free to work on this again! As my condolences for the lack of posts, here's a little info on the languages of major states. Following information details the most widely spoken languages, and the languages spoken by the ruling class among various states.

Gothic Empire
Main Language: Greek
Elite Language: Gothic (large minority)

Britannia
Main Language: Celto-Latin
Elite languages: Latin (common second language)

Teuton Successor States
Main Language: Celto-Latin
Elite Language: Teutonic (Large Minority)

Sicily
Main Language: Greco-Latin
Elite Language: Pure Greek and Pure Latin

Sassanids
Main Language: Greco-Syrian
Elite Language: Persian (large minority)

Hunnic Empire
Main Language: Dacian (Mix of Original Dacian, Gothic, with many Hunnic and Latin borrowings)
Elite Language: Hunnic (Notable Minority)
Some thoughts on this list:
"A large minority" of Gothic speakers seems unrealistic. Macedonia and Anatolia were very populous compared to the Gothic tribes. I would also believe that Greek would by now be the primary language of the elite, based on the assumption that the Goths kept the Roman institutions.

What is Celto-Latin? It seems to imply some kind of Vulgar Latin dialect but Latin was never the majority language of Roman Britain.

Is Teutonic your version of (Anglo-)Saxon?

Greco-Latin sounds like a Creole-language. Was that really the case in latin antiquity Sicily?

Is Greco-Syrian a Koine dialect or an Aramaeic dialect? By the way: Aramaeic/Syriac was one of the major administrative languages of the Sassanian Empire. I would assume that in your Scenario both the court and the people would use different variants of it.

I believe Dacian was (nearly) extinct by then. I read that Gothic might have been tje lingua franca of the Huns IOTL ... but steppe bussiness is always in a state of motion.
 
Hope your laptop will get fixed soon :) Always enjoy a nice map.

Some thoughts on this list:
"A large minority" of Gothic speakers seems unrealistic. Macedonia and Anatolia were very populous compared to the Gothic tribes. I would also believe that Greek would by now be the primary language of the elite, based on the assumption that the Goths kept the Roman institutions.

What is Celto-Latin? It seems to imply some kind of Vulgar Latin dialect but Latin was never the majority language of Roman Britain.

Is Teutonic your version of (Anglo-)Saxon?

Greco-Latin sounds like a Creole-language. Was that really the case in latin antiquity Sicily?

Is Greco-Syrian a Koine dialect or an Aramaeic dialect? By the way: Aramaeic/Syriac was one of the major administrative languages of the Sassanian Empire. I would assume that in your Scenario both the court and the people would use different variants of it.

I believe Dacian was (nearly) extinct by then. I read that Gothic might have been tje lingua franca of the Huns IOTL ... but steppe bussiness is always in a state of motion.


Both OTL Ostrogoths and Visigoths settled the area. OTL northern Bulgaria is mostly Gothic settled (they pushed out the natives)

Celtic-Latin is basically the Language of the Romano-British. It's a Vulgar Latin mix with Celtic.

Teutonic is indeed Anglo-Saxon Of TTL.

It's an Aramaic dialect. But more influenced by Greek. The court mostly has switched to Persian in an attempt to preserve their heritage.

Dacian as it says, is a mix of Hunnic, Gothic, Latin and original Dacian. Very dissimilar to the original language of the land.
 
Both OTL Ostrogoths and Visigoths settled the area. OTL northern Bulgaria is mostly Gothic settled (they pushed out the natives)

Celtic-Latin is basically the Language of the Romano-British. It's a Vulgar Latin mix with Celtic.

Teutonic is indeed Anglo-Saxon Of TTL.

It's an Aramaic dialect. But more influenced by Greek. The court mostly has switched to Persian in an attempt to preserve their heritage.

Dacian as it says, is a mix of Hunnic, Gothic, Latin and original Dacian. Very dissimilar to the original language of the land.
Is it really smart to settle in the majority of the Goths i OTL northern Bulgaria and push out the locals? Seems smarteer to just take some of the land and leave the locals mostly in peace. The locals produce goods (like grain etc.) and generate tax income which is used to pay for the upkeep of the Gothic army. Pushing the locals out would decrease tax revenue, worsen ethnic and religious tension and weaken the army.

The Sassanians were big on the whole neo-Acheamenid thing but I am pretty sure that Aramaeic was the most important language of the court and administration west of the Zagros Mt. Seems impractical to change the language of the court when you have a lot of well educated people speaking it and maybe only a handfull who speak Persian. Administration would become a lot more difficult.
Btw the Sassanians called Mesopotamia/Asuristan "the Heart of Iran".

It sounded like this neo-Dacian was based on the old Dacian language which I think is not realistic. A few loanwords might enter this new language but the base would surely be Gothic or maybe Hunnic.
 
Your latest post was good as always, but I need to say that your maps are simply gorgeous and I love them.
 
Is it really smart to settle in the majority of the Goths i OTL northern Bulgaria and push out the locals? Seems smarteer to just take some of the land and leave the locals mostly in peace. The locals produce goods (like grain etc.) and generate tax income which is used to pay for the upkeep of the Gothic army. Pushing the locals out would decrease tax revenue, worsen ethnic and religious tension and weaken the army.

The Sassanians were big on the whole neo-Acheamenid thing but I am pretty sure that Aramaeic was the most important language of the court and administration west of the Zagros Mt. Seems impractical to change the language of the court when you have a lot of well educated people speaking it and maybe only a handfull who speak Persian. Administration would become a lot more difficult.
Btw the Sassanians called Mesopotamia/Asuristan "the Heart of Iran".

It sounded like this neo-Dacian was based on the old Dacian language which I think is not realistic. A few loanwords might enter this new language but the base would surely be Gothic or maybe Hunnic.

That's where the Romans Settled them OTL. When most of them settled down, there was still a big resentment among the Goths because the Romans practically starved them. They're not solely Gothic now, after about a hundred years of new Migration, but they're still very Gothic in nature. Barbarians aren't perfect you know? It did hurt the army for a bit, but relations improved in the past century. There have been a few minor Greek Revolts here and there, but none large enough for me to mention.

The Shahanshah who created the Sassanid Rump State didn't survive with much of the original administration. (They supported his brother like historically). His supporters were mostly Zoroastrians from the Heart of Iran. Sure, Aramaeic is in use, but it isn't the main language of the Persian Court. Honestly, not many Persian-Mesopotamian intellectuals made it over to the Sassanid Rump State. The backbone of the modern Sassanid State is formed off the loyal peasant armies that supported the Shahanshah.

Also, that's exactly what Neo-Dacian is. Sorry for the confusion.

On another note, I forgot to address your issue with Greco-Latin previously. A very large chunk of Sicily is formed off the fleeing Hellenic Pagans from Italy. While most people just use Greek or Latin seperately, they've slowly begun to merge more fluidly (Think Aromanian) as time moves on.

Your latest post was good as always, but I need to say that your maps are simply gorgeous and I love them.

Thanks! Hopefully my computer will be fixed this weekend, I don't usually like to work on new Updates without a map being released first!
 
Worry not, this isn't dead. I have a new computer, and am planning to begin writing and mapping again. Sadly all my previous data and maps were lost, and as result I am debating doing a World A - style map of this, (Albiet much enlarged). Thoughts?
 
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