A Glorious Union or America: the New Sparta

[EnglishCanuck]

There will be quite a bit about the navy. It will face some neglect - I suspect the next president will not give it much mind. However the United States will have different priorities and responsibilities and it will have some unexpected champions...

And hopefully one of them might get a more fightin' namesake...
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The USS Joseph Hooker on her maiden cruse before heading to Corea. Universally known as the booziest ship in the United States Navy ​

 

[Flavius Aetius]

Had to post to once again express my love of this timeline after reading it from start to finish for the second time! This inspired me to get a copy of the Personal and Military History of Phillip Kearney and Kearney the Magnificent

When is the next post due as I need my fix?

 

[TheKnightIrish]

Had to post to once again express my love of this timeline after reading it from start to finish for the second time! This inspired me to get a copy of the Personal and Military History of Phillip Kearney and Kearney the Magnificent

When is the next post due as I need my fix?

Should have one or two chapters for this weekend - ending the Abyssinian Campaign and looking at the 1868 election.

 

[Flavius Aetius]

Thanks! Can’t wait!

Should have one or two chapters for this weekend - ending the Abyssinian Campaign and looking at the 1868 election.

!

 

[TheKnightIrish]

Sorry for the delay. Her ladyship wasn't well this weekend. Hope to have the next chapter up by midweek.

 

[CV12Hornet]

This is an excellent timeline and I’m glad I finally got around to reading it.

 

[Kennedy4Ever]

Absolutely amazing timeline so far, TheKnightIrish! Truly great writing, creativity, and plausibility, especially with the alternate Civil War and Reconstruction! I can’t wait to see where you take us next in Abbyssinia and beyond! When is the next update going to be posted?

 

[pathfinder]

Just wanted to reiterate the what's already been mentioned above. I absolutely love this timeline so far, especially with respect to Imperial Mexico and the 13th Cavalry.

 

[Kennedy4Ever]

I just hope this timeline isn’t dead. It woyluod be a real shame if it were!

 

[Johnrankins]

Starting new job in West London on 11th November. Hopefully I will have somewhere to live and the internet before then so I can get some updates in!

Goodbye forever to BIRMINGHAM (Thats in England not Alabama you ruddy colonials!).

Hello MIDDLESEX (Thats a county in England not Virginia or New Jersey or Massachusetts or Connecticut - don't start that again!).

FYI, there is also a Manchester, WA as well. I used to live on the border of that. It has a whopping population of of almost 5,500. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester,_Washington

 

[Johnrankins]

Yes, there are number of people who should



Yes, there are number of people who should know better who suddenly declaim "Lincoln was XXX" when the reality is he was as much the supreme pragmatist of his century as FDR was of his...

There are reasons both men were elected, and re-elected. They were extraordinarly good at their chosen professions, and masters of politics. Anyone who thinks otherwise, or buys the "country bumpkin" meme is a fool.

The "racist" quotes, however, are routinely gleaned from the 1850s speeches; the dates and the circumstances are generally elided by the "Lincoln was a fraud" types.

Best,

Election speeches at that. William Loyd Garrison could make hardcore abolitionist statements in his newspaper because he wasn't running for anything. If Lincoln made the same statements he wouldn't have been elected dog catcher. If Garrison ran for anything he would have been killed in the election because of his statements. It is hard to separate "Lincoln the politician" from "Lincoln the man". He certainly was anti-slavery most of his life.

 

[TC9078]

Election speeches at that. William Loyd Garrison could make hardcore abolitionist statements in his newspaper because he wasn't running for anything. If Lincoln made the same statements he wouldn't have been elected dog catcher. If Garrison ran for anything he would have been killed in the election because of his statements. It is hard to separate "Lincoln the politician" from "Lincoln the man". He certainly was anti-slavery most of his life.

Why are you responding to a 4 year old post by a guy whose been banned for nearly as long?

 

[Johnrankins]

No sharecropping was organic, sprouting up among the former plantations. It was a killer though as far as the southern economy was concerned for all parties to the transaction.

Yep, sharecropping was what most Blacks were fighting for at the time because the alternatives were even worse!

 

[Johnrankins]

Why are you responding to a 4 year old post by a guy whose been banned for nearly as long?

Because I just stumbled on to this? What difference does it make when it was made and who made it? The point doesn't change.

 

[Corder]

Because I just stumbled on to this? What difference does it make when it was made and who made it? The point doesn't change.

No reason why not. Hopefully the comments will encourage the author back. I haven't seen TKI on here commenting for awhile.

 

[CalBear]

Election speeches at that. William Loyd Garrison could make hardcore abolitionist statements in his newspaper because he wasn't running for anything. If Lincoln made the same statements he wouldn't have been elected dog catcher. If Garrison ran for anything he would have been killed in the election because of his statements. It is hard to separate "Lincoln the politician" from "Lincoln the man". He certainly was anti-slavery most of his life.

Y'all do realize you are picking a fight with someone whose been banned for pushing three years, for a post that's pushing four years old?

 

[Dragolord19D]

Y'all do realize you are picking a fight with someone whose been banned for pushing three years, for a post that's pushing four years old?

Sssshhhh I wanna see how long it would take them to realize that...

 

[Johnrankins]

Y'all do realize you are picking a fight with someone whose been banned for pushing three years, for a post that's pushing four years old?

Whose picking a fight? Banned or not I agreed with him and just expanded it.

 

[Fiver]

QUOTE="TheKnightIrish, post: 6012509, member: 32465"]

Chapter Twenty Three
The Hunter is Himself Trapped
Part II​

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From “The Rivals – Lincoln and his Cabinet” by Amelia Doggett
Grosvenor 2008

“Lincoln faced an angry and divided cabinet. Chase, and Hamlin (though not technically part of the cabinet), were both calling upon the President to authorise the execution of 36 rebel prisoners if the news from Butler proved true. Bates and Blair could not believe even Jeff Davis would be foolish enough to authorise the execution of a Union General…
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I'm just getting back to this excellent timeline, so I may have mentioned this before. Hannibal Hamlin was a committed opponent of capital punishment, so I suggest this part be adjusted.

 

[TheKnightIrish]

QUOTE="TheKnightIrish, post: 6012509, member: 32465"]

Chapter Twenty Three
The Hunter is Himself Trapped
Part II​

<snip>

From “The Rivals – Lincoln and his Cabinet” by Amelia Doggett
Grosvenor 2008

“Lincoln faced an angry and divided cabinet. Chase, and Hamlin (though not technically part of the cabinet), were both calling upon the President to authorise the execution of 36 rebel prisoners if the news from Butler proved true. Bates and Blair could not believe even Jeff Davis would be foolish enough to authorise the execution of a Union General…

I'm just getting back to this excellent timeline, so I may have mentioned this before. Hannibal Hamlin was a committed opponent of capital punishment, so I suggest this part be adjusted.[/QUOTE]

Interesting. I will review this. His view might have changed now he has had to kill to defend himself though!