A french Hitler

For some reason the Nazis never took power in Germany, maybe Hitler had died in the 1920s etc.

What if there insteed had been a french fascist party who came to power in the 1930s and not bound my arms limitation like Germany were and thusly France began to expand her army, airforce and navy. Maybe using her Colonies as staging points to attack British interests in Africa and Asia, maybe allied with Japan.

The Regime sets up Camps and kills Jews, Socialists etc.

How would such a WW2 Scenario play out? How would it effect french culture etc?

/Fred
 
First, France would need to have suffered some kind of "shame" as a nation.

*Opens the doors to let the French jokes flood in*
 
First, France would need to have suffered some kind of "shame" as a nation.

*Opens the doors to let the French jokes flood in*

Could we have had a scenario where maybe Britian and America had said earlier on to french enough is enough regarding the payment of damage of
war reperation by Germany to French?

Or maybe by for some reason Alsace-Lorraine goes to Germany in the 1920s??

Could either of these be seen as a "shame" for France??
 
Rerun the Dreyfus affair. Just with an american or british or Weimar German. Have them ally with Russia and Poland (maybe just a soviet puppet Poland) and butterfly into existence some genius tankman and airplane designers. Et Voila the Soviets and French stare uneasily at eachother across a devastated Germany. Or maybe an almost entirely unified Latin Block of Fascist including Franco, Il Duce, Salazar, and funny mustacheod French Bad Guy.
 
First, France would need to have suffered some kind of "shame" as a nation.
Maybe Italy joins the CPs and America never enters the war. This caused WWI to still end in 1918, but with a CP victory. Russia falls to revolution, Britain ecsapes with a Status Quo Ante Bellum and France gets punished. They have to cede massives amounts of colonies, possibly rest of A-L, Italy's claims and harsh reparations.

Maybe this causes Germany to get lazy(Like France did) while France becomes ingenuitive(Like Germany did) and invents the blitzkrieg, uses their air force properly, ect, ect. Maybe(This is unlikely however) Germany feels bad about the treaty and becomes somewhat pacifistic(Like Britain and France were in the 30s).

They could have an Anschluss with what's left of Belgium. They could have a "Sudetland" Crisis with Switzerland.

There are three major problems with this however: Austria-Hungary and Brest-Litovsk. Maybe Austria can survive in a weakened state as a German dependency and lower tier great power(Still stronger then Italy, but below all else). Germany is going to have to somehow lose everything short of Poland and Lithuania to create any balance of power. Not sure how to get that to happen.

The third is simple; France's natural inferiority to Germany. They have half the industry(Maybe this could be eased with some prewar expansion) and little more then half the man power of Germany. They will need allies. Italy would be a potentially obvious choice, a fascist nation trying to get their claims on Austria. The other could be the Soviet Union in an unholy alliance(And in the French Hitlers mind, a temporary one), the Russians could join to regain lost land from WWI and to keep the balance of power in check.

Spain could help too I suppose. Japan could easily join them, but I'm not sure what they would bring to the table.

Britain would be in an odd postion. They can't really back Nazi's and they can't really back Germany after WWI. I'm not sure where they would go with this. Maybe they just sell weapons, food, ammuntion among other things and give loans to both sides, making a fortune off of it.



I hope some of these ideas help you.
 
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