A Free Ireland: A TL where Brian Boru lives.

I imagine the Crusaders will follow a bastardised version of Christianity and their society will be a semi-feudal/tribal one.

As the Patricians are a religious order I imagine that some sort of chastity is encouraged amongst the leadership. The head of the Crusader tribe would then be the best warrior rather than the descendant of the original commander.

Do they mange to find iron or do they simply revert to atone tipped weapons? If anyone can maintain any metal weapons or armour they could become a deadly opponent.
 
I imagine the Crusaders will follow a bastardised version of Christianity and their society will be a semi-feudal/tribal one.

As the Patricians are a religious order I imagine that some sort of chastity is encouraged amongst the leadership. The head of the Crusader tribe would then be the best warrior rather than the descendant of the original commander.

Do they mange to find iron or do they simply revert to atone tipped weapons? If anyone can maintain any metal weapons or armour they could become a deadly opponent.

The Patricians are a religious order, but they also brought with them Norwegian, Alban, Orcanian, Italian and Portuguese troops looking for glory and fame. And it is only about a hundred years between them re-establishing contact. They will worship Christ in the Roman fashion in New Rome. But those who are converted in the wilderness may follow a form of Christianity cooped to local beliefs. In New Rome these people are considered worse than the "heathens" and are considered heretics, as they worship "false gods" even after hearing the Word of God. North and South America are greatly changed ITTL.
 
Now I'm even more interested. A crusader state mixed with native populations and some forced conversions thrown in for good measure. But being a medieval army they are heavily armoured and thus better able to fight the natives.
 
If they thought to bring along some smiths! I'd think that wouldn't be much in the Crusader tradition; most crusades, even the Teutonic knights against the Poles and Lithuanians (still pagan as of that date, not that their eventual conversion to Catholicism slowed down the Knights much!) were going into countries that had plenty of tech by Medieval European standards; at any rate, basic ironsmithing. So there wouldn't be precedent for invading and forcibly converting/massacring Neolithic peoples; that sort of thing came later for the Europeans, and they always had recourse to their trade network. So one doubts they had the foresight to bring along such craft workers.

How many knights or any of the supports they routinely deemed essential would know much about metalworking? Probably some of them knew something and could figure out more, enough to be thousands of years ahead of the Native Americans anyway. But would a churchly order of Crusaders deem such efforts worthy of their station? I suppose the clerical orders would actually help; it would come under the heading of duty and humility.

"Yea, brother Eoin, just as our Savior humbled himself to wash the feet of his disciples and even the harlot off the street, so you shall learn this forge work that we may cut off the feet of those who deny him, in Jesus's gentle name!"
 
If they thought to bring along some smiths! I'd think that wouldn't be much in the Crusader tradition; most crusades, even the Teutonic knights against the Poles and Lithuanians (still pagan as of that date, not that their eventual conversion to Catholicism slowed down the Knights much!) were going into countries that had plenty of tech by Medieval European standards; at any rate, basic ironsmithing. So there wouldn't be precedent for invading and forcibly converting/massacring Neolithic peoples; that sort of thing came later for the Europeans, and they always had recourse to their trade network. So one doubts they had the foresight to bring along such craft workers.

How many knights or any of the supports they routinely deemed essential would know much about metalworking? Probably some of them knew something and could figure out more, enough to be thousands of years ahead of the Native Americans anyway. But would a churchly order of Crusaders deem such efforts worthy of their station? I suppose the clerical orders would actually help; it would come under the heading of duty and humility.

"Yea, brother Eoin, just as our Savior humbled himself to wash the feet of his disciples and even the harlot off the street, so you shall learn this forge work that we may cut off the feet of those who deny him, in Jesus's gentle name!"
Fair point. New Rome will still be quite a bit ahead of its neighbors though.
 
Gonna bump this. I'll post an update rather soon.

Also in this timeline, the Patricians remain in the Faroes, and make it like the Malta of the North Sea.
 
I have to say, this thread is something I have wanted to do for a long time. Right down to some minor details (Hiberno-Portuguese alliance, Irish-founded crusading order). I'm quite impressed with this timeline.
 
I have to say, this thread is something I have wanted to do for a long time. Right down to some minor details (Hiberno-Portuguese alliance, Irish-founded crusading order). I'm quite impressed with this timeline.

Wow, thanks man. I'll try to update it as soon as possible.
 
Good ATL very intersting

Sorry if this throws a spanner in the works its my first post.
Murchadh son of Brian Ború only had one son Toirdealbhach who died at the Battle of Clontarf OTL but i suppose Murchadh surviving the battle of Clontarf ATL he could have a son Brian.

The Irish did develope fleets of ships based similar to the Norse and Dane designes especially the Dál Cais under the Brian Ború era running them from Luimneach but these where only to localised Kingdom needs but a fleet gathered from all the coastal kingdoms would have probably been very impressive.

Sorry again the English had superior weaponry and numbers over any Irish king and it took them 500 years to get full control of Ireland and its done in one lifetime by one king and with his line of succession they have full control and cooperation?

Leinster Chiefs being supplanted would have caused resentment?
 
Yeah Irish history is not my strong point, and I will attempt to redo the timeline later on, probably after finishing Dead By Dawn which won't be over until....god knows when. And then I have Black March. But I'll get back to it. Beyond that, I had no clue that Brian's son had a son.
 
Yeah anybody worth taking over the Kingship from Brian Ború died at the battle of Clontarf. He had 3 sons with his first wife and only one of them produced one grandson Toirdelbhach who died at 15 in the battle of Clontarf he drowned with many Irish chasing Norse warriors into the sea. The sons of later wives who did take the reigns done what the Irish Chiefs done best quarreled with each other for the kingship.

Murchadh would have been the best man to take over from Brian although he had a temper and might have created a few extra enemies, he was a strong leader like his father. The problem with Brian was he lived too long Murchadh was in his 50's in the battle of Clontarf and some of Brians other younger relatives who could have filled the legacy just couldn't out live him.
 
Intriguing timeline. I'm keen to see where it goes, and also the fate of the rogue crusader state (which is interesting enough to create a timeline on its own).
 
Some other broad concepts of the POD. Survival of the Norman Kingdom of Sicily, a surviving Normandy-England as the United Kingdom of Normandy and England. The surviving Norman Sicily would remain a bastion of peaceful integration between Muslims and Christians, while England would retain a large part of its Norman culture.
 
I've decided to end this timeline to put a more thought out version, as I don't want it to get to wanky, and I want to add some more butterflies to the process.
 
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