A different WW1

David S Poepoe

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You mean renewed or renegotiated? To resign is to withdraw.

How would WW1 have turned out if the germans had resigned the Russian Reassurance Treaty?

Pretty much like it turned out historically.

However, if renewed or renegotiated, then a little insignificant country like Serbia would have been crushed - eventually - by the Austro-Hungarians.
 

rast

Not an easy one. To keep Russia in the boat, the Germans would have had to sell Austro-Hungaria. The Russians considered both multi-ethnic empires, Austro-Hungaria and Ottoman, as deathbound and wanted to dissect them suiting their panslavistic interests. (Ironically, both empires danced at mourning service of Tsarist Russia.) For the Prussians that effectively run the German empire, the acquisition of more catholic southerners held little attraction.
 

Abdul Hadi Pasha

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rast said:
Not an easy one. To keep Russia in the boat, the Germans would have had to sell Austro-Hungaria. The Russians considered both multi-ethnic empires, Austro-Hungaria and Ottoman, as deathbound and wanted to dissect them suiting their panslavistic interests. (Ironically, both empires danced at mourning service of Tsarist Russia.) For the Prussians that effectively run the German empire, the acquisition of more catholic southerners held little attraction.
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Actually, the Russians were pretty much the only people who never considered the Ottomans death-bound - which is the main reason they kept attacking it.

I assume this thread means the Reinsurance Treaty - I don't see how this would make any difference. There is no way it would still be in effect by 1914, but I suppose if it had been renewed in the 1890s the course of history would have been different and there would have been no WWI.

I think it's extremely unlikely Russia would abandon Serbia to Austria-Hungary for this.
 

Kabraloth

It depends on if Russia makes the (secret) treaty public knowledge.

If they do, Germany becomes diplomatically isolated within a week, and France might attack right away, which could or could not trigger a world war.
 
Grey Wolf

Grey Wolf

Austria-Hungary and Obrenovic Serbia were actually quite friendly. It was only when the Karageorgevic were restored that relations soured, and with pan-Slavism went downhill rapidly

I am thinking that the most important question in this possibility is HOW LONG the treaty would have been renewed for, and thus stayed in effect for, if we posit a potential eventual breakdown anyway ?

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
flamelord

flamelord

I might be the only one who noticed but austria hungary didn't do that well in WW1 without extensive help from germany so technically its a anglo-french alliance:D.











VICTORY TO THE PRUSSIAN SOVIET ALLIANCE!!!!!
 

Neroon

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Kabraloth said:
If they do, Germany becomes diplomatically isolated within a week, and France might attack right away, which could or could not trigger a world war.
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Unless France gets itself a President dumber than a combination of Wilhelm II and the Guardians view of George W Bush, they will never attack Germany on their own. A Franco-German war between 1871 and 1914 with no allies for either side would be suicide for France and they were smart enough to know it, too. So they worked on building a coalition instead.
 

Fellatio Nelson

flamelord said:
I might be the only one who noticed but austria hungary didn't do that well in WW1 without extensive help from germany so technically its a anglo-french alliance:D.











VICTORY TO THE PRUSSIAN SOVIET ALLIANCE!!!!!
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So you'd rather have a looser arrangement with a nation that in decades to come could trounce you militarily and economically, so at best you'd end up being thier bitch, rather than concentrate on a far closer alliance with your still rather powerful neighbour, which you could dominate and could for the forseeable future likely emerge victorious from a war with Russia?
 
Fletch

Fletch

Fellatio Nelson said:
So you'd rather have a looser arrangement with a nation that in decades to come could trounce you militarily and economically, so at best you'd end up being thier bitch,
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I, for one am glad that Britain allied with the USA during WW2. ;)

The situation of a Russo-German alliance in WW1 would be far better for the Russians, and give the Germans a stronger ally. Whether the outcome would be any different in a long, protracted war is hard to tell.
 
flamelord

flamelord

I don't know if anyone else noticed but all those russian casualties were caused by Germany.:D











VICTORY TO THE PRUSSIAN SOVIET ALLIANCE!!!
 
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