a different USA

No, I mean when the French Republic abolishes slavery in Saint Domingue, have the USA support the slave-owners as they were considering IOTL. The slave-owners wanted to create an independent nation away from France if slavery was abolished, but needed the support of the USA to do so, otherwise the ex-slaves and French authorities would put down any independence movement.

so make a puppet Haiti controlled by the slaveholders?
 
Danger...

One thing that helped the USA get where it was: The great powers weren't interested in it. The USA didn't have to build expensive fleets and armies--so the resources could stay at home, going into building a nation. If the USA is in dangr from European nations, this edge goes away...
 
A different US joining against France and maybe picking up more of French Caribbean Colonies might be workable, but I am not sure if going up against the British as well as the French in a 10-20 year period is likely. Too much too quick.
 
A different US joining against France and maybe picking up more of French Caribbean Colonies might be workable, but I am not sure if going up against the British as well as the French in a 10-20 year period is likely. Too much too quick.

well getting the war against France & Spain to work was my main objective & if a war against Britain occurred after that it'd only be if it could be done in a plausible way. I wouldn't throw it in no matter how much i would want the war if it couldn't be done in a way that didn't seem ASB
 
well getting the war against France & Spain to work was my main objective & if a war against Britain occurred after that it'd only be if it could be done in a plausible way. I wouldn't throw it in no matter how much i would want the war if it couldn't be done in a way that didn't seem ASB


Well my opinion, and that is all I can offer, is that after a war with France defeated and the US holding several of its continental and Caribbean Colonies we might start to get a stand off between England and the US. A good point might be over slavery. If the US does not agree to a treaty to stop the slave trade then English Anti Slave Patrols could push a conflict between the two governments. Does not need to be a full war, but something happening around 1840 might be right.
 
Well my opinion, and that is all I can offer, is that after a war with France defeated and the US holding several of its continental and Caribbean Colonies we might start to get a stand off between England and the US. A good point might be over slavery. If the US does not agree to a treaty to stop the slave trade then English Anti Slave Patrols could push a conflict between the two governments. Does not need to be a full war, but something happening around 1840 might be right.

cool & i appreciate your input. i was planning on a US UK war sometime between 1835 & 1855 whether i got to have one in the 1810-1820 range or not
 
Ok I'm trying to write the first post, a sort of prelude putting this new person into the White House by first becoming VP, so who would be the better federalist VP to become president Hamilton or Jay?
 
Well I personally favor Hamilton but Jay may be more reliable. Hamilton might remain as a powerbroker and a behind the scenes type of guy.
 
The two main ways I envisage a larger army and navy would be:
  • Some Caribbean islands rebel alongside the 13 Colonies and so a navy is required to defend the island states and territories of the USA - though this might change the USA politically so-much that it's unrecognisable, though I doubt that.
  • Alexander Hamilton becomes President after Washington.

A war with France or Spain isn't too difficult:
  • Have the Quasi War go worse.
  • IOTL the slave-owners in Saint Domingue tried to gain support from the Americans in the event of the abolition of slavery, if Hamilton, of a more anti-French Jefferson were President then they could guarantee that and follow through if the French still abolished it.
  • In 1804 Spain denied American merchants the right to sell and ship in New Orleans, which caused a diplomatic break until the Spanish restored the rights a year or two later. You could theoretically have a Spanish-American War over New Orleans, which could expand into a general war over Louisiana, Florida and perhaps even Cuba.

I think overall the best way for these scenario's to happen is to have Hamilton become President, as he was in favour of a larger army and navy, and was anti-France and relatively anti-Spanish.

The only way I could imagine the third one happening would be, say, Hamilton creating a larger army and navy, then Jefferson taking over as President and having an alternate Anglo-American War, but with the Americans in a much better state to fight they might be able to win a victory - though I'm unsure if they could gain much territorialy.

It would be interesting if somehow Nevis, the birthplace of Alexander Hamilton, ended up in U.S. hands...
 
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