A Different Post War Germany?

In late 1918 the government of Wilhelm II collapsed and led to the Weimar Republic; in addition to the fall of the House of Hohenzollern, the Kingdoms, Grand Duchies, Duchies, and Principalities which constituted the Empire of Germany were overthrown as well.

BUT. I was wondering recently: what if the south German states (for one reason or another, right now we will say - HANDWAVIUM, because I haven't researched it yet) did not overthrow their rulers? What if the will of the people in the south was to remain under their royal heads of state?

Perhaps Bavaria, Baden and Wurtemburg conspire to leave and possibly even DO declare the "marriage" between Germany and their states over. Is a "Catholic League" possible? Membership might include the south German states and Austria, possibly Hungary which sees itself surrounded by the Little Entente.

I think France would favor such a development because it further weakens Germany. Italy might also favor such a development because of the possibility to influence these states - pull them into their sphere of influence.

Could Hitler still come to power in such a scenario? Or, perhaps, a conservative take over, military coup, restored monarchy, or even surviving Weimar?

Thoughts? Discussion?
 
Somewhat unlikely, as Susano would have told you. Bavaria was not only the first state to abolish the monarchy, but was also the closest to having a full blown communist revolution (though it wasn't very close to achieving it). By this stage, the idea of German unity and nationalism has become ingrained enough that the more likely situation is just having Austria join, rather than any bit breaking off.
 
Perhaps Bavaria, Baden and Wurtemburg conspire to leave and possibly even DO declare the "marriage" between Germany and their states over. Is a "Catholic League" possible? Membership might include the south German states and Austria, possibly Hungary which sees itself surrounded by the Little Entente.

Baden and Württemberg had protestant rulers and a protestant state religion. :mad:

And the Allies were at that time bend on destroying every trace of the old monarchist militarism.

And the people would never have supported it. Even in Austria ~90% favoured joining Germany.
 

Valdemar II

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Baden and Württemberg had protestant rulers and a protestant state religion. :mad:

And the Allies were at that time bend on destroying every trace of the old monarchist militarism.

And the people would never have supported it. Even in Austria ~90% favoured joining Germany.

I agree, through a few points.

Baden was Catholic but had a Protestant ruler, while Württemberg was Protestant with a Catholic ruler. Beside that half of Franken and most of Pfalz in Bavaria was/are Protestant.
 
I agree, through a few points.

Baden was Catholic but had a Protestant ruler, while Württemberg was Protestant with a Catholic ruler. Beside that half of Franken and most of Pfalz in Bavaria was/are Protestant.

Few more points:

-The rulers of Württemberg (with one exception back in 17-something)
were protestant. The last king died childless and his claims passed to a catholic cadet-branch. So the current pretenders are catholic but in 1918 the ruler was protestant.

-Before 1771 Baden was divided in the catholic Baden-Baden and the protestant Baden-Durlach. Then the count of Baden-Durlach inherited Baden-Baden. During the Napoleonic era Baden aquired huge, predominantly catholic territories.
Afterwards Baden was a protestant state (officaly) in which the majority of the people was catholic and remained this until 1918.
This arquard situation led to several state-church clashes.
 
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