A Desert Called Peace

I'd be interested to know why you feel the doctrine of separation of powers leads to ultra nationalism?

Your asking for a doctoral thesis, for which I don't have time, frankly. Here's a short version.

The US is rather a free state for a number of reasons. We've had a tradition of freedom for nearly 400 years. This helps. We have a constitution that "guarantees" it...this helps, too, except there are no guarantees. The biggest single factor is, I think, that nobody...no level...within the US has power that is not offset or _threatened_ by some other power or powers. Thus, we split the federal government into three. Then we further split the legislature into two. Then we split sovereignty between Fed and States, even to the extent of putting substantial military forces at the disposal of the states and leaving it open for them to create more on their own (some 40 or so, last time I checked, had unfederalizable state guards or militias, for example), and - whether intended or not - the Second Amendment puts considerable potential for violence in individual hands.

So far, it works fairly well, though I think it is working less well all the time. If it ceases to work, one could leave. This, too, acts as a brake in governmental conduct, because it is costly to lose one's citizens and about as costly to try to keep them if they want to leave.

I would anticipate that a world government would grow even as our own federal one has...but I see nothing, and I have dealt with transnational progressives quite a bit over the years, that inclines me to think they would accept separation of powers, or any limit on their own power, could they seize it. I've seen nothing, all protestations of their own wonderfulness aside, that suggests to me that they are anything but Stalinists in Birkenstocks.

And there would be no escape from a world government. You _can't_ leave.

The downside is obvious; we (humanity) fight a lot of wars, kill a lot of people, and expend a lot of resources in preparing to do same. It's something inherent in the nation state...you go armed and are prepared to kill. That doesn't bother me overmuch because the alternative, world government, would turn oppressive and would cause revolts that would likely kill as many or more. That's supposition, of course, but I think it sound. Has there ever been an institution, created for the betterment of mankind, that didn't rot, in time?

The alternative to world government is pretty much what we have and that is sustained by nationalism. I'll call myself ultra-nationalist because I accept few or no compromises to our national sovereignty because every trivial surrender of our sovereignty puts us one step closer to a world government that has all the power. I want power to be highly diffuse (except of course that I want the United States to have a large enough share of it that there are no threats to _my_ people that can't be handled).

Tom
 

Ian the Admin

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May I assume that since I'm a member now ignorant and against the rules comments like, say, "wack-job" will disappear?

Y'all have a nice day.

You're an author. You get bad reviews. Deal.

And I won't have you introducing wack-job right wing neologisms like "tranzi" onto this site.

Y'all have a nice day.
 
You're an author. You get bad reviews. Deal.

And I won't have you introducing wack-job right wing neologisms like "tranzi" onto this site.

Y'all have a nice day.

You consider "wack-job" to be a bad review? Interesting. Silly, but interesting.

Don't like "tranzi"? Ban me; I really don't care.

Y'all can have any ol' kind of day you like.
 
As a matter of fact, rather than deal with petty little tyrants like yourself, Ian, color me gone.

Y'all stuff it up your ass, ya hear.
 

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Whats a tranzi? :confused:

It's a rarely used derogatory "bogeyman word" invented by some right wingers to refer to left wingers, supposedly standing for "transnational progressives" but very clearly chosen because it sounds like "Nazi".

Evidently Kratman thinks he should be able to nationally publish political polemics that people left and right find ludicrous and offensive, but still be treated with perfect politeness, and yet that he himself should be allowed to throw around political slurs.

It's actually something of a novel situation (pardon the pun) to have someone show up on the board who has published reprehensible stuff off it, even though he hasn't expressed such opinions here.

I mean, for example, Kratman's second American civil war book contains things that are effectively serious slander against actual people. Given that sort of stuff, he's one of those cases where I'm not sure I can reasonably expect members of the board to hold their tongues and maintain perfect civility about him and his work.
 

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Evidently Kratman thinks he should be able to nationally publish political polemics that people left and right find ludicrous and offensive, but still be treated with perfect politeness, and yet that he himself should be allowed to throw around political slurs.

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I have told Tom, on several occastions, that there are problems with the politics in the Posleen books. (See review of WOTR on CTT). He has never bitten my head off for that. I have not sent him personal insults. 'wack job' is a personal insult.

And I shall say no more.

Chris
 

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That went well, didn't it?

Too bad actually. A far right point of view would be worthwhile to add to the mix (even though I'm the one who started the problem, I still think it's unfortunate that it ended like this).
 
That went well, didn't it?

Too bad actually. A far right point of view would be worthwhile to add to the mix (even though I'm the one who started the problem, I still think it's unfortunate that it ended like this).

He was kicked, not banned.
 

Ian the Admin

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I have told Tom, on several occastions, that there are problems with the politics in the Posleen books. (See review of WOTR on CTT). He has never bitten my head off for that. I have not sent him personal insults. 'wack job' is a personal insult.

As I said, based on what this guy has published it would be unfair of me to ask people to hold their tongues and not call a spade a spade just because he showed up on the board. This guy's published work - not private opinion, published work which board members can be expected to know about - is, at least as far as his second civil war book goes, which is the one I know about, vastly offensive beyond anything I'd ever let on this board.

And he *is* a wack job, some people really are just nuts and he is very obviously one of them. He's way beyond any kind of legitimate political disagreement, extremist or not, and to the point of hatred of those he disagrees with which comes out not just in what he's written, but in things like his casual use of a brand new slur to refer to left wingers the moment he showed up to this board. (You may not have noticed, but in about his sixth post he also jumped straight into one of the new MEJ racism flamewars and posted a bunch of "is it a racist if you believe X" comments, where X is some far right belief usually associated with racism such as believing that black people are less intelligent... his sixth post to the board).

To make it clear, if someone has professionally published something then board members are free to react to it as if it had been posted to the board. If it's offensive, they can react to it as if someone had posted something similarly offensive to the board. That means if it's really offensive, I will give them the same leeway that I would give someone who referred to a really offensive poster as a "wack job". I will not let board membership be a defense against the kind of criticism which a published work or a public figure would normally be in for.
 

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He was kicked, not banned.

Actually, he asked to have his account deleted before I kicked him (the kick was pro forma since he'd thrown a personal insult before he left).

He seems to have been more upset about me telling him not to call people "tranzis" than about me not caring if someone else had called him a wack job. He seems to have been really set off by the "tyranny" of not letting him use a word invented only to be used as an insult to left wingers.
 
It's a rarely used derogatory "bogeyman word" invented by some right wingers to refer to left wingers, supposedly standing for "transnational progressives" but very clearly chosen because it sounds like "Nazi".
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The ability to make neologism to fit your need truly is one of the thing that make us human

(interestingly enough it's not even in wikipedia yet)
 
It's a rarely used derogatory "bogeyman word" invented by some right wingers to refer to left wingers, supposedly standing for "transnational progressives" but very clearly chosen because it sounds like "Nazi".

Evidently Kratman thinks he should be able to nationally publish political polemics that people left and right find ludicrous and offensive, but still be treated with perfect politeness, and yet that he himself should be allowed to throw around political slurs.

It's actually something of a novel situation (pardon the pun) to have someone show up on the board who has published reprehensible stuff off it, even though he hasn't expressed such opinions here.

I mean, for example, Kratman's second American civil war book contains things that are effectively serious slander against actual people. Given that sort of stuff, he's one of those cases where I'm not sure I can reasonably expect members of the board to hold their tongues and maintain perfect civility about him and his work.

That's an interesting one. If only because, if it were short for 'transnational progressives' then surely it should be Transpros, or similar?

Also, why do 'progressives' have to be internationalists, which I assume is what is meant? We can be just a nationalistic and insular as anyone. Tony Benn for example.
 

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Here we go, dredged up from the original Usenet discussion I remember from four years ago... sample chapters for your amusement. :rolleyes:

http://www.baen.com/chapters/W200312/0743471709_toc.htm

Yes, this is the book where Hillary Clinton, excuse me he named her something else, literally has orgasms at the prospect of power, and lies in bed with her lesbian lover telling her that she has no ideals, caring for nothing but the pursuit of power itself, and plans to establish a police state so that she can rule as dictator after her eight years have elapsed. And the Second American Civil War is sparked by the evil government and the Surgeon General's evil jack-booted stormtroopers forcing abortion down Americans' throats by force (backed by Hillary's strongest supporters, the Gay Agenda), until the people of Texas rise up following a government attack on an anti-abortionist's compound at "Waca", Texas.
 
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