A Deal over Poland 1944

Is there any way a deal could have been done that would have reassured Stalin but allowed something like a 'Finlandized' Poland post war.

If that happened could the Warsaw uprising in 1944 have worked with more support?

Does that significantly shorten the European War?

Does the US forget about Europe if there is no Cold War?
 

Pangur

Donor
The only way for that to have happened would IMHO be if there was an allied army on Polish soil at the time. That's the only way that Stalin would have settled for anything less than he got
 
Stalin wanted a Communist Poland. Having the Poles as the world's worst negotiators (as in stubborn and uncompromising) helped him out enormously. Stalin wanted what he wanted, the London Exile Polish Government wanted what they wanted. End of story.
 

Pangur

Donor
Stalin wanted a Communist Poland. Having the Poles as the world's worst negotiators (as in stubborn and uncompromising) helped him out enormously. Stalin wanted what he wanted, the London Exile Polish Government wanted what they wanted. End of story.

How was what happened what the London Exile Polish Government wanted?"
 
How was what happened what the London Exile Polish Government wanted?"

IT WASN'T! My point was that there was no meeting of the minds. Granted, Stalin wasn't going to give in on anything he wasn't going to take back eventually anyway. But the London Exile Polish Government's problem was that they had a position as close to status ante bellum as made no difference. They certainly weren't going to get that, yet that was all they would accept (they were not united on this, though).
 
No. As the Soviets, after Barbarossa, are at the very least going to demand the Curzon Line border, which no Polish government with an ounce of self-respect and a memory of 1939 will ever yield voluntarily.
 
The only way for that to have happened would IMHO be if there was an allied army on Polish soil at the time. That's the only way that Stalin would have settled for anything less than he got

There was an allied army on Polish soil at the time: the Red Army, with its own Polish satellite troops. What you mean is if there was a democratic army on Polish soil at the time, and this requires either a victory in 1940 or a war so alien to OTL one wonders how the Nazis ever got to Barbarossa to start with in this case.
 

Pangur

Donor
There was an allied army on Polish soil at the time: the Red Army, with its own Polish satellite troops. What you mean is if there was a democratic army on Polish soil at the time, and this requires either a victory in 1940 or a war so alien to OTL one wonders how the Nazis ever got to Barbarossa to start with in this case.

I stand corrected on the allied army comment. I do have no idea how that army could get there with Berlin still in German hands
 

b12ox

Banned
On the map it would not work, since Germany was to the west of Poland and it had to be controlled by the Soviets. Finlands geography was no problem.
 
I stand corrected on the allied army comment. I do have no idea how that army could get there with Berlin still in German hands

Outside ASB and Crack!TL scenarios it's extremely unlikely. Remember IOTL when the Soviets crushed Army Group Center they went from Minsk to Warsaw in the course of a single offensive. By that point it takes far less effort for the Soviets to engage in their usual shenanigans than it does the WAllies to get to Poland, and when the WAllies are having problems at Arnhem and Aachen it's generally not a wise move to trigger animosity with the Allied power that overruns entire countries and German army groups in the course of single offensives.
 

iddt3

Donor
Outside ASB and Crack!TL scenarios it's extremely unlikely. Remember IOTL when the Soviets crushed Army Group Center they went from Minsk to Warsaw in the course of a single offensive. By that point it takes far less effort for the Soviets to engage in their usual shenanigans than it does the WAllies to get to Poland, and when the WAllies are having problems at Arnhem and Aachen it's generally not a wise move to trigger animosity with the Allied power that overruns entire countries and German army groups in the course of single offensives.

Doesn't Happy and Glorious have exactly this scenario playing out?
 
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