It's getting close, I'm gonna guess where gonna see B-29s deliver an A-Bomb on the Reich?
A Darker World War II: A Timeline Reboot by Zoidberg12
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June 2, 1945: After yet another long period of stalemate on the Eastern Front, the Soviet armies under General Zhukov re-invade the land around the former de-facto Soviet capital of Kuybyshev.
June 8, 1945: The American, British, Canadian, Free French and Free Turkish armies invade the town of Canakkale.
June 9, 1945: Japanese Prime Minister Kantarō Suzuki announces that the Empire of Japan will fight to the bitter end rather than accept an unconditional surrender from the Allied Powers.
Baron Kantarō Suzuki
June 12, 1945: The United States occupies all of Sakhalin Peninsula. The Sakhalin Campaign ends, giving the US Army Air Corps a new area to launch bombing attacks into Japan.
June 15, 1945: Thirty years after the disastrous Gallipoli campaign of World War I, the British and AZNAC armies begin besieging by sea and invading by land the beaches of the Turkish peninsula of Gallipoli. The much-weakened Germans do not do much to resist the British and ANZAC invasion of the Dardanelles.
June 18, 1945: Japanese resistance ends on the island of Mindanao in the southern Philippines.
June 19, 1945: The Soviet armies retake the land around the former de-facto Soviet capital of Kuibyshev.
June 24, 1945: The British and ANZAC armies successfully take the peninsula of Gallipoli and with the other Allied armies secure the town of Canakkale and the surrounding area. German, Italian and other Axis forces in Constantinople are now cut off from the rest of Turkey. The Allies are now starting to starve Constantinople into submission. Artillery bombardment is not conducted by the Allies on the city, as bombardment would be bound to destroy the ancient underground Byzantine waterworks, leaving the city a swamp and destroying the cities Byzantine and Ottoman monuments.
June 27, 1945: In an effort to defeat the Axis forces in the southern part of Turkey, the Allies invade Alanya in two directions from both Adana and Konya.
June 28, 1945: General MacArthur's headquarters announces the end of Japanese resistance in the Philippines.
June 29, 1945: Only a few days after Australia's victory in the Dardanelles, Australian Prime Minister John Curtin dies of heart disease in Canberra. Frank Forde succeeds him to become Prime Minister of Australia.
John Curtin (1/8/1885-6/29/1945, aged 60)
July 1, 1945: In an effort to bring more Allied support to the Soviet Union on the Eastern Front, Premier Molotov and General Secretary Beria make an agreement with the other Allied powers to allow foreign troops on Soviet territory. Thus, the United States and a number of other Allied nations officially get involved in the Eastern Front of World War II.
July 4, 1945: The United States government recognizes the independence of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
July 5, 1945: The Philippines are liberated from Japan by the armies of United States of America, with air and naval support from Australia and air support from Mexico.
July 6, 1945: Molotov, Beria and the Soviet government finally recognize the independence of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan in return for the cooperation of these nations in allowing desperately needed supplies to cross through these nations and the Soviet Union unhindered.
July 8, 1945: At the Australian Labor Party leadership ballot, the leadership is contested by Prime Minister Frank Forde, Treasurer Ben Chifley and Norman Makin, MP for Hindmarsh. Ben Chifley wins the ballot and becomes Prime Minister of Australia. Frank Forde served as Prime Minister for only nine days, the shortest Prime Ministerial term in Australian history.
Ben Chifley, 16th Prime Minister of Australia
July 9, 1945: After almost two weeks, Alanya falls to the invading Allied armies.
July 10, 1945: One thousand Allied bomber raids against Japan begin.
July 12, 1945: The 101st Airborne and 82nd Airborne Divisions land across the Caucasus in the Soviet cities of Stalingrad, Kuybyshev, Saratov and Balakovo.
Insignia of the 101st Airborne Division
Insignia of the 82nd Airborne Division
July 13, 1945: The British government recognizes the independence of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
July 14, 1945: The first American Naval bombardment of the Japanese home islands takes place.
July 15, 1945: The Allied air forces begin massive air raids over Bursa, the de-facto capital of the collaborationist and pro-Axis Turkish government.
July 16, 1945: The United States Army conducts its first atomic bomb test, code-named Trinity, in the Jornada del Muerto desert about 35 miles southeast of Socorro, New Mexico.
The Trinity Explosion, July 16, 1945
July 19, 1945: The American and Soviet armies invade the German occupied-Soviet towns of Rostov-on-Don, Elista and Akhtubinsk.
July 22, 1945: The Allies invade Eskişehir.
July 25, 1945: The Canadian government recognizes the independence of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
July 26, 1945: The Australian government recognizes the independence of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
July 28, 1945: The last Soviet and American soldiers are pushed out of Rostov-on-Don and the surrounding area by the German Wehrmacht. The Second Battle of Rostov ends in German victory and an American and Soviet defeat.
August 1, 1945: The New Zealand government recognizes the independence of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
August 3, 1945: Akhtubinsk falls to the Red Army and the 101st Airborne Division.
August 7, 1945: Eskişehir falls to the Allies.
August 8, 1945: Elista falls to the Red Army and the 82nd Airborne Division.
August 11, 1945: The American and Soviet armies invade the German occupied-Soviet town of Astrakhan.
August 12, 1945: The first jet to jet dogfight takes place over Turkish Thrace when a British Gloster Meteor shoots down a German Me-262.
August 15, 1945: The American and Soviet air forces begin a large-scale aerial bombardment campaign over the German-occupied Caucasus.
August 16, 1945: The American and Soviet armies invade the German occupied-Soviet town of Stavropol.
August 18, 1945: Izmir is invaded by the Allied armies from three directions; from Bergama, from Eskişehir and from Eğirdir. Izmir is also bombarded by the Allied navies.
August 21, 1945: Astrakhan falls to the Red Army and the American armies, including the 101st Airborne Division.
Men of the 101st Airborne Division with a captured German vehicle air identification sign in Astrakhan, August 21, 1945
August 26, 1945: The Allied armies invade Antalya.
August 30, 1945: The Allied air forces restart large-scale air raids over Sicily, Sardinia and Corsica.
September 2, 1945: Stavropol falls to the Soviet and American armies.
September 5, 1945: After almost a month, Izmir falls to the Allied armies.
September 8, 1945: Antalya surrenders to the Allied armies.
September 15, 1945: The region of Kalmykia is occupied by the Soviet and American armies.
September 20, 1945: All of the Axis armies in southern Turkey surrender to the Allied armies.
September 25, 1945: Krasnodar is invaded by the Soviet and American armies, including both the 101st and 82nd airborne divisions. The Soviet and American armies in the Caucasus are now driving westward to the Black Sea.
September 27, 1945: After three months of being starved into submission, German general Walther von Reichenau and Italian general Alessandro Pirzio Biroli surrender Constantinople to the Allies. Thus, the German and Italian armies in Istanbul surrender to the Allies. After that, the Allies enter Constantinople, rechristen the city Istanbul and arrest Generals von Reichenau and Biroli. The people of the city run out into the streets, celebrate and greet the Allies and Free Turks as liberators. At this point, the only Axis holdouts in Turkey are in and around the town of Bursa and in Bulgarian-annexed European Turkey.
September 30, 1945: In Ankara, General Kazim Orbay of the Kemalist Free Turkish Army is sworn in as the provisional President of the newly-liberated Republic of Turkey.
June 8, 1945: The American, British, Canadian, Free French and Free Turkish armies invade the town of Canakkale.
June 9, 1945: Japanese Prime Minister Kantarō Suzuki announces that the Empire of Japan will fight to the bitter end rather than accept an unconditional surrender from the Allied Powers.
Baron Kantarō Suzuki
June 12, 1945: The United States occupies all of Sakhalin Peninsula. The Sakhalin Campaign ends, giving the US Army Air Corps a new area to launch bombing attacks into Japan.
June 15, 1945: Thirty years after the disastrous Gallipoli campaign of World War I, the British and AZNAC armies begin besieging by sea and invading by land the beaches of the Turkish peninsula of Gallipoli. The much-weakened Germans do not do much to resist the British and ANZAC invasion of the Dardanelles.
June 18, 1945: Japanese resistance ends on the island of Mindanao in the southern Philippines.
June 19, 1945: The Soviet armies retake the land around the former de-facto Soviet capital of Kuibyshev.
June 24, 1945: The British and ANZAC armies successfully take the peninsula of Gallipoli and with the other Allied armies secure the town of Canakkale and the surrounding area. German, Italian and other Axis forces in Constantinople are now cut off from the rest of Turkey. The Allies are now starting to starve Constantinople into submission. Artillery bombardment is not conducted by the Allies on the city, as bombardment would be bound to destroy the ancient underground Byzantine waterworks, leaving the city a swamp and destroying the cities Byzantine and Ottoman monuments.
June 27, 1945: In an effort to defeat the Axis forces in the southern part of Turkey, the Allies invade Alanya in two directions from both Adana and Konya.
June 28, 1945: General MacArthur's headquarters announces the end of Japanese resistance in the Philippines.
June 29, 1945: Only a few days after Australia's victory in the Dardanelles, Australian Prime Minister John Curtin dies of heart disease in Canberra. Frank Forde succeeds him to become Prime Minister of Australia.
John Curtin (1/8/1885-6/29/1945, aged 60)
July 1, 1945: In an effort to bring more Allied support to the Soviet Union on the Eastern Front, Premier Molotov and General Secretary Beria make an agreement with the other Allied powers to allow foreign troops on Soviet territory. Thus, the United States and a number of other Allied nations officially get involved in the Eastern Front of World War II.
July 4, 1945: The United States government recognizes the independence of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
July 5, 1945: The Philippines are liberated from Japan by the armies of United States of America, with air and naval support from Australia and air support from Mexico.
July 6, 1945: Molotov, Beria and the Soviet government finally recognize the independence of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan in return for the cooperation of these nations in allowing desperately needed supplies to cross through these nations and the Soviet Union unhindered.
July 8, 1945: At the Australian Labor Party leadership ballot, the leadership is contested by Prime Minister Frank Forde, Treasurer Ben Chifley and Norman Makin, MP for Hindmarsh. Ben Chifley wins the ballot and becomes Prime Minister of Australia. Frank Forde served as Prime Minister for only nine days, the shortest Prime Ministerial term in Australian history.
Ben Chifley, 16th Prime Minister of Australia
July 9, 1945: After almost two weeks, Alanya falls to the invading Allied armies.
July 10, 1945: One thousand Allied bomber raids against Japan begin.
July 12, 1945: The 101st Airborne and 82nd Airborne Divisions land across the Caucasus in the Soviet cities of Stalingrad, Kuybyshev, Saratov and Balakovo.
Insignia of the 101st Airborne Division
Insignia of the 82nd Airborne Division
July 13, 1945: The British government recognizes the independence of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
July 14, 1945: The first American Naval bombardment of the Japanese home islands takes place.
July 15, 1945: The Allied air forces begin massive air raids over Bursa, the de-facto capital of the collaborationist and pro-Axis Turkish government.
July 16, 1945: The United States Army conducts its first atomic bomb test, code-named Trinity, in the Jornada del Muerto desert about 35 miles southeast of Socorro, New Mexico.
The Trinity Explosion, July 16, 1945
July 19, 1945: The American and Soviet armies invade the German occupied-Soviet towns of Rostov-on-Don, Elista and Akhtubinsk.
July 22, 1945: The Allies invade Eskişehir.
July 25, 1945: The Canadian government recognizes the independence of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
July 26, 1945: The Australian government recognizes the independence of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
July 28, 1945: The last Soviet and American soldiers are pushed out of Rostov-on-Don and the surrounding area by the German Wehrmacht. The Second Battle of Rostov ends in German victory and an American and Soviet defeat.
August 1, 1945: The New Zealand government recognizes the independence of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
August 3, 1945: Akhtubinsk falls to the Red Army and the 101st Airborne Division.
August 7, 1945: Eskişehir falls to the Allies.
August 8, 1945: Elista falls to the Red Army and the 82nd Airborne Division.
August 11, 1945: The American and Soviet armies invade the German occupied-Soviet town of Astrakhan.
August 12, 1945: The first jet to jet dogfight takes place over Turkish Thrace when a British Gloster Meteor shoots down a German Me-262.
August 15, 1945: The American and Soviet air forces begin a large-scale aerial bombardment campaign over the German-occupied Caucasus.
August 16, 1945: The American and Soviet armies invade the German occupied-Soviet town of Stavropol.
August 18, 1945: Izmir is invaded by the Allied armies from three directions; from Bergama, from Eskişehir and from Eğirdir. Izmir is also bombarded by the Allied navies.
August 21, 1945: Astrakhan falls to the Red Army and the American armies, including the 101st Airborne Division.
Men of the 101st Airborne Division with a captured German vehicle air identification sign in Astrakhan, August 21, 1945
August 26, 1945: The Allied armies invade Antalya.
August 30, 1945: The Allied air forces restart large-scale air raids over Sicily, Sardinia and Corsica.
September 2, 1945: Stavropol falls to the Soviet and American armies.
September 5, 1945: After almost a month, Izmir falls to the Allied armies.
September 8, 1945: Antalya surrenders to the Allied armies.
September 15, 1945: The region of Kalmykia is occupied by the Soviet and American armies.
September 20, 1945: All of the Axis armies in southern Turkey surrender to the Allied armies.
September 25, 1945: Krasnodar is invaded by the Soviet and American armies, including both the 101st and 82nd airborne divisions. The Soviet and American armies in the Caucasus are now driving westward to the Black Sea.
September 27, 1945: After three months of being starved into submission, German general Walther von Reichenau and Italian general Alessandro Pirzio Biroli surrender Constantinople to the Allies. Thus, the German and Italian armies in Istanbul surrender to the Allies. After that, the Allies enter Constantinople, rechristen the city Istanbul and arrest Generals von Reichenau and Biroli. The people of the city run out into the streets, celebrate and greet the Allies and Free Turks as liberators. At this point, the only Axis holdouts in Turkey are in and around the town of Bursa and in Bulgarian-annexed European Turkey.
September 30, 1945: In Ankara, General Kazim Orbay of the Kemalist Free Turkish Army is sworn in as the provisional President of the newly-liberated Republic of Turkey.
Don't worry guys, I'm planning on updating this timeline soon. It's just that I'm busy at the moment with school work.
Hopefully, I'll have the last 1945 update up by the end of the month.
Hopefully, I'll have the last 1945 update up by the end of the month.
October 1, 1945: With the Turkish Campaign quickly coming to a close, the Allied Powers begin planning for an invasion of the Axis-held Balkan Peninsula and the Kingdom of Italy.
October 5, 1945: Under British Field Marshal Sir William Slim, and five months after the liberation of Rangoon, the entirety of British Burma is liberated by the British Commonwealth and the other Allied powers and re-annexed into the British Raj. Under the supervision of the Supreme Allied Commander, South East Asia Command Admiral Louis Mountbatten, preparations are being made for an Allied invasion of Japanese occupied-Malaya and Japanese-allied Thailand.
Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma
Sir William Slim
October 6, 1945: After over a week of preparation on the part of the Allied armies, the Siege of Bursa begins.
October 9, 1945: Krasnodar is liberated by the Soviet and American armies.
October 15, 1945: Using numerous air bases throughout the northern and western regions of the newly liberated Republic of Turkey, the USAAF and RAF begin air raids over Italian-occupied Greece, German-occupied Crete, the Italian Dodecanese Islands, Bulgaria, Romania, and the German-occupied Crimea and Caucasus regions.
October 18, 1945: After twelve days, the Siege of Bursa ends when the German, Italian and collaborationist Turkish garrisons of the city surrender to the Allied armies. Almost immediately after the seige ends, the collaborationist Turkish government officially surrenders to the Allied Powers and the Turkish government and ceases to exist. All of the members of the aforementioned government are immediately arrested by the Allied armies and new Turkish government.
October 20, 1945: The Republic of Turkey is almost completely liberated by the Allied Powers. Only Bulgarian-annexed European Turkey is still in the hands of the Axis Powers.
October 21, 1945: The Kurdish Liberation Army (KLA) declares that, in spite of the defeat of the Axis Powers in the Turkish campaign, it will continue its insurgency against the Republic of Turkey and the rest of the Allied Powers.
October 27, 1945: Almost a week after the aforementioned declaration, the KLA still refuses to surrender to the Allied Powers and the Turkish government. In addition to this, the Turkish government in Ankara has little to no control over the regions of their nation that are occupied by the forces of the KLA. Thus, the Kurdish War of Independence reaches a stalemate.
November 1, 1945: The Soviet and American armies invade the city of Novorossiysk.
November 3, 1945: The Turkish government of Kâzım Orbay decides not to deal with the KLA until after the defeat of Nazi Germany and the rest of the Axis Powers. Thus, the war with the Kurds will remain in an almost completely static state until after the end of the war, aside from a few clashes here and there between both the Turkish government and the KLA.
November 13, 1945: In the Pacific Theater of the war and in New Guinea, and after a year of fighting, the Aitape–Wewak campaign ends in an Allied victory. Japanese general Hatazō Adachi is subsequently taken into custody by the Australian army led by General Jack Stevens.
Hatazō Adachi
Jack Stevens
November 16, 1945: Rabaul, the principal city of the island of New Britain in New Guinea, is finally liberated by the Allied powers.
November 19, 1945: After eighteen days, Novorossiysk is liberated by the Soviet and American armies.
November 22, 1945: In the Pacific Theater of the war and in New Guinea, the New Britain campaign ends in an Allied victory. Japanese general Hitoshi Imamura is then detained in Rabaul by the Australian army.
Hitoshi Imamura
November 30, 1945: In anticipation of the invasion of the Balkan Peninsula and the eventual end of the Eastern Front, the USAAF and the RAF up the ante in regards to their newly-begun air raids over Greece, Crete, the Dodecanese Islands, Bulgaria, Romania, the Crimea and the Caucasus.
December 14, 1945: In New Guinea, New Ireland is completely liberated by the Allied powers.
December 17, 1945: After the last Japanese resistance on New Ireland is subdued, the New Guinea campaign finally comes to an end and ends in an Allied victory.
December 22, 1945: General Zhukov begins to lead his Red Army forces, now with M-3 tanks, on a major offensive, hoping to link up with American troops coming from across the Caucasus and in doing so to liberate a significant portion of southern Russia.
December 23, 1945: American armies coming from across the Caucasus besiege the cities of Sochi and Grozny.
December 31, 1945: The Chechen city of Grozny falls to the American armies. Afterwards, American troops and Soviet civilians within the war-torn city celebrate the coming a new year.
October 5, 1945: Under British Field Marshal Sir William Slim, and five months after the liberation of Rangoon, the entirety of British Burma is liberated by the British Commonwealth and the other Allied powers and re-annexed into the British Raj. Under the supervision of the Supreme Allied Commander, South East Asia Command Admiral Louis Mountbatten, preparations are being made for an Allied invasion of Japanese occupied-Malaya and Japanese-allied Thailand.
Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma
Sir William Slim
October 6, 1945: After over a week of preparation on the part of the Allied armies, the Siege of Bursa begins.
October 9, 1945: Krasnodar is liberated by the Soviet and American armies.
October 15, 1945: Using numerous air bases throughout the northern and western regions of the newly liberated Republic of Turkey, the USAAF and RAF begin air raids over Italian-occupied Greece, German-occupied Crete, the Italian Dodecanese Islands, Bulgaria, Romania, and the German-occupied Crimea and Caucasus regions.
October 18, 1945: After twelve days, the Siege of Bursa ends when the German, Italian and collaborationist Turkish garrisons of the city surrender to the Allied armies. Almost immediately after the seige ends, the collaborationist Turkish government officially surrenders to the Allied Powers and the Turkish government and ceases to exist. All of the members of the aforementioned government are immediately arrested by the Allied armies and new Turkish government.
October 20, 1945: The Republic of Turkey is almost completely liberated by the Allied Powers. Only Bulgarian-annexed European Turkey is still in the hands of the Axis Powers.
October 21, 1945: The Kurdish Liberation Army (KLA) declares that, in spite of the defeat of the Axis Powers in the Turkish campaign, it will continue its insurgency against the Republic of Turkey and the rest of the Allied Powers.
October 27, 1945: Almost a week after the aforementioned declaration, the KLA still refuses to surrender to the Allied Powers and the Turkish government. In addition to this, the Turkish government in Ankara has little to no control over the regions of their nation that are occupied by the forces of the KLA. Thus, the Kurdish War of Independence reaches a stalemate.
November 1, 1945: The Soviet and American armies invade the city of Novorossiysk.
November 3, 1945: The Turkish government of Kâzım Orbay decides not to deal with the KLA until after the defeat of Nazi Germany and the rest of the Axis Powers. Thus, the war with the Kurds will remain in an almost completely static state until after the end of the war, aside from a few clashes here and there between both the Turkish government and the KLA.
November 13, 1945: In the Pacific Theater of the war and in New Guinea, and after a year of fighting, the Aitape–Wewak campaign ends in an Allied victory. Japanese general Hatazō Adachi is subsequently taken into custody by the Australian army led by General Jack Stevens.
Hatazō Adachi
Jack Stevens
November 16, 1945: Rabaul, the principal city of the island of New Britain in New Guinea, is finally liberated by the Allied powers.
November 19, 1945: After eighteen days, Novorossiysk is liberated by the Soviet and American armies.
November 22, 1945: In the Pacific Theater of the war and in New Guinea, the New Britain campaign ends in an Allied victory. Japanese general Hitoshi Imamura is then detained in Rabaul by the Australian army.
Hitoshi Imamura
November 30, 1945: In anticipation of the invasion of the Balkan Peninsula and the eventual end of the Eastern Front, the USAAF and the RAF up the ante in regards to their newly-begun air raids over Greece, Crete, the Dodecanese Islands, Bulgaria, Romania, the Crimea and the Caucasus.
December 14, 1945: In New Guinea, New Ireland is completely liberated by the Allied powers.
December 17, 1945: After the last Japanese resistance on New Ireland is subdued, the New Guinea campaign finally comes to an end and ends in an Allied victory.
December 22, 1945: General Zhukov begins to lead his Red Army forces, now with M-3 tanks, on a major offensive, hoping to link up with American troops coming from across the Caucasus and in doing so to liberate a significant portion of southern Russia.
December 23, 1945: American armies coming from across the Caucasus besiege the cities of Sochi and Grozny.
December 31, 1945: The Chechen city of Grozny falls to the American armies. Afterwards, American troops and Soviet civilians within the war-torn city celebrate the coming a new year.
Downsides of this TL: Greater death toll across Eastern Europe, the Holocaust being more thorough (and possibly expanded into the Caucasus and Turkey), Lavrentiy Beria being in a position of power...
Upsides of this TL: Potentially better Soviet-American relations- Russians have to thank the Amerikantsy for the direct liberation of the fatherland, and the Soviets maybe too weak to occupy Eastern Europe- independence for the Caucasus, independence for the ethnic breakaway regions of Spain...
Upsides of this TL: Potentially better Soviet-American relations- Russians have to thank the Amerikantsy for the direct liberation of the fatherland, and the Soviets maybe too weak to occupy Eastern Europe- independence for the Caucasus, independence for the ethnic breakaway regions of Spain...
Huh, so in two weeks from Hitler's decision and in one week from Franco's decision, the Germans have a full Army launching the attack from newly established bases all the way across Spain, using the shambles that was the Spanish rail network at the time? Bully for them.
You are aware, of course, that when on December 5 Hitler discussed in detail his directive with the OKW, the idea was to cross the Spanish border on January 10. And that this sort of plans always turned out to be overly optimistic, with delays always setting in. And that the general idea was to ship in something like 30 independent medium and heavy artillery battalions.
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There is an awful lot of "such and such army is victorious," but no reason why. Also, not enough attention laid to realistic timescale (as mentioned above) and logistics. I'm unconvinced the Axis could get as far as they did, and even more unconvinced the Allies would be able to push them back if they did.
I would expect governments to fall if the Axis took Gibraltar, Syria, Moscow, the Suez Canal, and large parts of Iraq. I doubt the British government (or Churchill) would survive that. FDR would probably have a heart attack. There would probably be a negotiated settlement, although given what an optimistic moron Hitler was, possibly not.
I would expect governments to fall if the Axis took Gibraltar, Syria, Moscow, the Suez Canal, and large parts of Iraq. I doubt the British government (or Churchill) would survive that. FDR would probably have a heart attack. There would probably be a negotiated settlement, although given what an optimistic moron Hitler was, possibly not.
If I was the Allies in this scenario, at this point, I would try for an invasion of Southern France and drive straight for Germany. The axis ittl must be stretched much more thin, and with more Americans being involved on land, one more front should be enough to collapse the war machine of Germany. Though if they martyr the White Rose movement enough, we could see a 1937 border Democratic Germany
Ok just read through it. I have one major issue, with more than a few minor issues.
The major issue, why in gods green earth would the allies invade the fucking Iberian Peninsula. That moves makes no fucking sense. After clearing out North Africa of Italian, German, and Spanish troops they would had cleared out the different held Med islands first. And with the US having the clear driver seat and remembering Gallipoli would have oped for a cross channel invasion of France or invasion of Southern France first. Cut Spain off from Germany, Spain dies. Invade and take Spain means a lot of dead American GIs and British Tommies for invading a mountain hell that doesn't give you that much and could been done cheaper by going into France after clearing the Med out.
Other points, there would been fighting in the Soviet far east if the US had occupied the Soviet Pacific Coast as happened ITL. The Japanese would have to send troops to keep the US from threatening Manchuria. Both sides would be a logistical limits when doing this through. Most likely they stalemate somewhere in Khabarovsk Krai.
Next Point, Finland wouldn't exit the war till they were damn sure the Nazis wouldn't turn around and invade them. Its really that simple. Maybe if the British hold on at Navrik ITL it might work, but Norway fell so they would stay in the war.
The US would not agree to invade the Balkans without hitting Italy or France first. Those would be much higher on the chopping block than the Balkans.
Honestly this idea has promise but those are issues I take issue with.
The major issue, why in gods green earth would the allies invade the fucking Iberian Peninsula. That moves makes no fucking sense. After clearing out North Africa of Italian, German, and Spanish troops they would had cleared out the different held Med islands first. And with the US having the clear driver seat and remembering Gallipoli would have oped for a cross channel invasion of France or invasion of Southern France first. Cut Spain off from Germany, Spain dies. Invade and take Spain means a lot of dead American GIs and British Tommies for invading a mountain hell that doesn't give you that much and could been done cheaper by going into France after clearing the Med out.
Other points, there would been fighting in the Soviet far east if the US had occupied the Soviet Pacific Coast as happened ITL. The Japanese would have to send troops to keep the US from threatening Manchuria. Both sides would be a logistical limits when doing this through. Most likely they stalemate somewhere in Khabarovsk Krai.
Next Point, Finland wouldn't exit the war till they were damn sure the Nazis wouldn't turn around and invade them. Its really that simple. Maybe if the British hold on at Navrik ITL it might work, but Norway fell so they would stay in the war.
The US would not agree to invade the Balkans without hitting Italy or France first. Those would be much higher on the chopping block than the Balkans.
Honestly this idea has promise but those are issues I take issue with.
When Spain is exhausted from three years of civil war, Franco is reluctant, & Canaris (behind Hitler's back) is actively telling Franco, "Don't"?
Just like that?
The most heavily defended city in the SU just falls--while the Germans actually have to fight to take Stalingrad?And seriously, "Honk Hong"?
By what act of madness is this a good idea?
You do understand the Sov Far East forces will steamroll IJA, & the only thing slowing them down will be fuel shortages: IJA couldn't cope with U.S. M3 Lees; the Sovs had T-34s.You realize the bleeding of IJA manpower into Manchuria & Siberia means the Allied fight in SWPA & Central Pacific will be a cakewalk... Indeed, IJA might not have the manpower for attacks there at all. Or not in India or Burma, which is not good for her effort in China.
And, of course, the increased losses in Manchuria (up to the point the Red Army reaches Pusan, anyhow...) means more materiel will have to come from the SWPA, making it vulnerable to USN subs... And if more is going to Manchuria than OTL, ops in the Yellow Sea & vicinity, already a prize patrol area, will be even more attractive.
How, exactly, does Rommel have the supplies to do this?
That one-track railway was barely able to support the limited operations he carried out OTL.By what magic?
Sure as hell IJA can't stop the Red Army alone.This makes exactly no sense. The goal is defeat of Germany. This invasion is akin to invading mainland China to defeat Japan. Worse, in fact, since, even if the Allies win, the operation goes nowhere: it's blocked from any other German-occupied country by the Pyrennes.
Fat chance.
And the SU agrees to this why?
So the U.S. occupies part of Siberia, but has, for unknown reasons, failed to use it as a base for B-24 (never mind B-29) bombing & minelaying missions against Japan, & sub attacks against Japanese commerce... Yeah, FDR & Nimitz are just too stupid for that.
And even without that, Japan's economy will be on the brink of collapse just from OTL efforts of USN subs, never mind Japan's lunatic over-extension in Manchuria & Siberia; with that thrown in, & attacks by the U.S. from Siberia, Japan should have surrendered a year or more ago already...
They manage to hold a leadership convention & a by-election in nine days? Why do I not believe a word of that?[/QUOTE]
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