A crown isn't worth my faith: Augustus of Saxony doesn't become king of Poland

WI Frederick Augustus of Saxony had decided that becoming king of Poland wasn't worth converting to Catholicism, and had remained Lutheran? Who would probably be elected in his place? And what could be the consequences of this change?
 

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I'm not sure whether to condemn or applaud you for failing to do a "Warsaw is(n't) worth a mass" reference.
 
WI Frederick Augustus of Saxony had decided that becoming king of Poland wasn't worth converting to Catholicism, and had remained Lutheran? Who would probably be elected in his place? And what could be the consequences of this change?

Nice idea, but Frederick Augustus didn't care a straw about his religion. IOTL he converted why it was necessary and he surely had no religious concerns. So I think not to take the crown of Poland would require another motivation.
If he didn't become king of Poland, then Saxony would possibly stay richer, maybe it wouldn't get involved into senseless wars. Frederick Augustus could try to improve his position in the HRE.
 
WI Frederick Augustus of Saxony had decided that becoming king of Poland wasn't worth converting to Catholicism, and had remained Lutheran? Who would probably be elected in his place? And what could be the consequences of this change?
Disregarding the implementational problems with personality that have already been mentioned, I think the likely candidate would probably be Franciszek I (Francois Louis de Bourbon), since IRL he actually was elected in 1697, only to have the throne stolen away at the last second by August II/Friedrich August, in the famous confrontation at Danzig.
 
Well, there's a possibility that there would be no Great Nordic War, or at least that Poland stays out of it. This would especially be true if the French candidate wins.
 
Nice idea, but Frederick Augustus didn't care a straw about his religion. IOTL he converted why it was necessary and he surely had no religious concerns. So I think not to take the crown of Poland would require another motivation.
If he didn't become king of Poland, then Saxony would possibly stay richer, maybe it wouldn't get involved into senseless wars. Frederick Augustus could try to improve his position in the HRE.

Well, the POD would be make him care about religion. I know that personality differences are a problem, but aren't that unlikely too.

If the Electors of Saxony remain Protestant, and Saxony is richer, how would be the balance of power inside the HRE?

Disregarding the implementational problems with personality that have already been mentioned, I think the likely candidate would probably be Franciszek I (Francois Louis de Bourbon), since IRL he actually was elected in 1697, only to have the throne stolen away at the last second by August II/Friedrich August, in the famous confrontation at Danzig.

Well, there's a possibility that there would be no Great Nordic War, or at least that Poland stays out of it. This would especially be true if the French candidate wins.

I thought about the possibility of Conti becoming king. It would be interesting, since he seemed to be a quite good military commander. But Augustus IOTL was the candidate supported by Russia and Austria. Who would they support ITTL?
 
I thought about the possibility of Conti becoming king. It would be interesting, since he seemed to be a quite good military commander. But Augustus IOTL was the candidate supported by Russia and Austria. Who would they support ITTL?
Possibly Stanislaw Leszczynski, who was an early supporter of August II before the military defeats at Sweden's hands IOTL initiated the Lithuanian civil war and he totally switched sides. Or Jozef Potocki, who was of similar caliber.
 
Possibly Stanislaw Leszczynski, who was an early supporter of August II before the military defeats at Sweden's hands IOTL initiated the Lithuanian civil war and he totally switched sides. Or Jozef Potocki, who was of similar caliber.
Both of them weren't Lithuanians and had little influence in The Great Duchy. Btw even without them Lithuania was in state of a civil war.
 
Both of them weren't Lithuanians and had little influence in The Great Duchy. Btw even without them Lithuania was in state of a civil war.
Eh? This is a question of who would be the likely candidate for King of the Commonwealth, supported by Russia and the Habsburgs. What are you trying to say here?
 
My comment was about initiating a civil war by the persons you mentioned in the GDL. And the candidate was already elected: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Louis,_Prince_of_Conti
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I don't think you read the thread.

I suggested Franciszek I as the French/Swedish candidate that would replace August II on the throne. August II held it in OTL; Franciszek had it stolen from him. Therefore it's reasonable to assume that Franciszek would get the throne for reals this time. That raised the question of whom the Austrians and Russians would support in the absence of August II. I brought up Leszczynski and Potocki. Then...you came in?
 
I don't think you read the thread.

I suggested Franciszek I as the French/Swedish candidate that would replace August II on the throne. August II held it in OTL; Franciszek had it stolen from him. Therefore it's reasonable to assume that Franciszek would get the throne for reals this time. That raised the question of whom the Austrians and Russians would support in the absence of August II. I brought up Leszczynski and Potocki. Then...you came in?
Now I have read thread again and didn't find what I missed :confused:, but when you explained your point I must admit I answered different question.
 
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