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OOC: this is a collaborative TL which has a POD of Smedley Butler becoming President in 1936. Please make them at least 150 words long.

New York Times 13th August 1967

Walter Cronkite

Warlord Yuri Andropov just took northeast Ukraine after a long and bloody battle with Ukranian Remnant Forces for Sumy Oblast ended today with thousands dead. the wars have been continuing for year since the collapse of Both the Third Reich and the Soviet Union in 1947, leading to numerous warlord states taking their place, with Eastern Europe being the worst affected area. It is reported that Andropov's men engaged in numerous war crimes, although their nation, United Russia, is not party to the Geneva Conventions. British Prime Minister Menzies Campbell has responded to the atrocities by threatening to cut off all aid to United Russia if Andropov does not reign is soldiers in immediately. The Ukranian Remnant has ordered an evacuation of all nearby oblasts as the war rages on. The ongoing wars have led to refugee crises with millions heading to Canada, Australia, America and Western Europe as a result.

The displacement and wars have also contributed to the economic stagnation and famine prevalent throughout Eurasia ever since the end of World War 2. Among others there is the Principality of Petrograd, the United Russian Republic, Free Byelorussia and Ostland. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the Fifth Layer of Hell here as the wrathful constantly fight each other not caring about what happens to them.

I frankly do not know if or when this cycle of war and violence would end in Eastern Europe and i do not know how it's going to end. I pity these people as endless war drgs them lower into hell.
 
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OOC: this is a collaborative TL which has a POD of Smedley Butler becoming President in 1936. Please make them at least 150 pages long.

New York Times 13th August 1967

Walter Cronkite

Warlord Yuri Andropov just took northeast Ukraine after a long and bloody battle with Ukranian Remnant Forces for Sumy Oblast ended today with thousands dead. the wars have been continuing for year since the collapse of Both the Third Reich and the Soviet Union in 1947, leading to numerous warlord states taking their place, with Eastern Europe being the worst affected area. It is reported that Andropov's men engaged in numerous war crimes, although their nation, United Russia, is not party to the Geneva Conventions. British Prime Minister Menzies Campbell has responded to the atrocities by threatening to cut off all aid to United Russia if Andropov does not reign is soldiers in. The Ukranian Remnant has ordered an evacuation of all nearby oblasts as the war rages on. The ongoing wars have led to refugee crises with millions heading to Canada, Australia, America and Western Europe as a result. The displacement and wars have also contributed to the economic stagnation and famine prevalent throughout Eurasia ever since the end of World War 2.

I frankly do not know if or when this cycle of war and violence would end in Eastern Europe and i do not know how it's going to end.

Why would an anti-fascist in the White House lead to the war going worse?
 
Why would an anti-fascist in the White House lead to the war going worse?

OOC: Smeldye Butler was the guy who wrote "War is a racket" and said that the US didnt need to be involved in europe even though Nazi Germany was a clear and present danger. bascially, he had the Draka Stupid virus regarding the Axis.
 
OOC: Smeldye Butler was the guy who wrote "War is a racket" and said that the US didnt need to be involved in europe even though Nazi Germany was a clear and present danger. bascially, he had the Draka Stupid virus regarding the Axis.

OOC: He also proposed large amounts of Lend-Lease style aid instead. It would seem that this would hand the allies victory.
 
OOC: He also proposed large amounts of Lend-Lease style aid instead. It would seem that this would hand the allies victory.

OOC: Source? This was the guy who said that "war is a racket" and said war only benefited corporations. It would be logical to assume he would go for absolute neutrality.
 
OOC: Source? This was the guy who said that "war is a racket" and said war only benefited corporations. It would be logical to assume he would go for absolute neutrality.

He was also an anti-fascist though, it makes sense he would at least aid Europe.
 
OOC: well, he was a strict isolationist and did have a quasi stupid virus WRT the nazis (Orville third is my source on that).

There's not really such thing as a stupid virus, he'll also die before OTL Pearl Harbour, leaving his Veep in charge. That is if the Democrats decide to reselect him or if he runs at all in 1940.
 
There's not really such thing as a stupid virus, he'll also die before OTL Pearl Harbour, leaving his Veep in charge. That is if the Democrats decide to reselect him or if he runs at all in 1940.

OOC: WRT the supid virus, that was just a loan term for the draka. And Pearl Harbour may be butteflied away if the oil sanctions do not take place like OTL given that Butler is an absolute neutral person in those terms.
 
OOC: WRT the supid virus, that was just a loan term for the draka. And Pearl Harbour may be butteflied away if the oil sanctions do not take place like OTL given that Butler is an absolute neutral person in those terms.

Actually the beginnings of the oil embargo originated in private oil companies for this very reason. Whilst Butler was an isolationist he was also a pround socialist and anti-fascist and it would seem that he would take similar actions to FDR and bring forward an embargo at the risk of looking like an appeaser.
 
and with no lend lease to China or to the Allies, Japan might actually do better in the Pacific Front as with Germany in Europe (no support for british ships as america would have disarmed significantly under his adminsitration). And butterflies might mean a successful Japanese acquisition of Chinese oil and Indonesia as well.

Meanwhile, with America not giving a damn about the world as it goes to hell, Falangism (not Fascism) could arise in Latin America (particularly Peru and Argentina) and cause havoc there for quite some time.
 
and with no lend lease to China or to the Allies, Japan might actually do better in the Pacific Front as with Germany in Europe (no support for british ships as america would have disarmed significantly under his adminsitration). And butterflies might mean a successful Japanese acquisition of Chinese oil and Indonesia as well.

Meanwhile, with America not giving a damn about the world as it goes to hell, Falangism (not Fascism) could arise in Latin America (particularly Peru and Argentina) and cause havoc there for quite some time.

I still don't see the logic in your argument. Whilst there's a chance that America could stay out of the war, it seems hard to prevent the private embargoes from still happening and when the Soviet Union is invaded, Butlers socialist isolationism argument will grow even weaker. It also depends by a large degree who his Veep or who the Democrats select in 1940 is seeing as he'll probably still die in 1940. If it's someone like FDR or Wallace then you just have a similar situation to OTL.

But at it's core a Lend-Lease type system is perfect for anti-fascist isolationists, it allows the US economy to be reinvigorated whilst also helping the fight against the Nazis without losing American lives minus volunteers.
 
I dont see Butler giving any aid to anybody because of his belief that "War is a racket". i can see him sitting out WW2 and not giving a care if chaos or tyranny befalls Eurasia.
 
I dont see Butler giving any aid to anybody because of his belief that "War is a racket". i can see him sitting out WW2 and not giving a care if chaos or tyranny befalls Eurasia.

War is horrible, every single allied leader would have admitted that but there is a such a thing as just war theory. I mean we're talking about an ex-solider here.
 
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