A Collaborative Britain-wank thread

RogueTraderEnthusiast

I mean, a date that early means that we can look at everything from retaining the USA onwards.

If you have a British Empire with the USA, then I can't see a reason why the UK doesn't dominate the world as in OTL and then some.

So.... PoD - The Acts of Union lead to a Commitee for the Refinement of the Union - effectively a government body that comes up with ways to smooth out British rule, and a child of the Scottish Convention.

This can lead to all sorts of things, like reports on "How best to manage the colonies", which could be used to produce similar documents to the Albany Plan, in such a way that it retains the Colonies without losing control, or some other plan.

Ditto with India, and South Africa.

Nothing much else needs change. A large BNA leaves Britain in a position where BNA can overwhelm the New World, with Britain seeding similar colonies across the globe, tied up in whatever structure the Commitee for the Refinement of the Union produces.
 

Alex Zetsu

RogueTraderEnthusiast said:
If you have a British Empire with the USA, then I can't see a reason why the UK doesn't dominate the world as in OTL and then some.
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it should be noted that the height of British power is considered Victorian Era without America. India was the crown Jewel of the Empire, and even if BNA was part of it, it would actually be worth less (not worthless!) to the crown if it followed the same treatment as OTL Canada in terms of importance, tax receipts, and so on. Of course, overtime having a loyal BNA would do wonders, aside from now adding extra debt on a ARW, their contribution in the long run as the railroads are build and farmland is cultivated, the long run potential is huge. If TTL Britain uses it's native policy on BNA that OTL Britain used in Canada or Australia, there might be a 3 decade lag, but some sort of peaceful cooperation could come.
 

RogueTraderEnthusiast

Alex Zetsu said:
it should be noted that the height of British power is considered Victorian Era without America. India was the crown Jewel of the Empire, and even if BNA was part of it, it would actually be worth less (not worthless!) to the crown if it followed the same treatment as OTL Canada in terms of importance, tax receipts, and so on. Of course, overtime having a loyal BNA would do wonders, aside from now adding extra debt on a ARW, their contribution in the long run as the railroads are build and farmland is cultivated, the long run potential is huge. If TTL Britain uses it's native policy on BNA that OTL Britain used in Canada or Australia, there might be a 3 decade lag, but some sort of peaceful cooperation could come.
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Importantly, the USA benefited from British Financing, so BNA likely would do the same - and as stated, the Committee would likely be working to ensure an Albany Plan is enacted, effectively granted a measure of local governance - which would be VERY interested in developing itself. Instead of having the British treatment of Canada, you have a hybrid of the British native policy (being Foreign Policy) and USA-style expansionism/economic investment. Effectively a great balance IMO. The British (in Britain) makes its money, and all the seeds of the second Empire are more than likely still in place because they were there before America become independent (East India Company, etc). Plus, during the Continental System, internal trade is likely to increase within the Empire between Britain and America in some ways.

I'd disagree on the 3 decade lag. If we account for the Revolutionary War, which is itself a decade (or or less) of lag in western expansion, it means at most 20 years, but after the Napoleonic Wars (if they aren't butterflied), then suddenly we have Louisiana to seize for BNA.
 
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