A Cold War Map Challenge!

Nicole

What's the latest POD to get this map? (You don't need to have the name TACO or some of the other minor details if you don't want to, I guess...)

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EvolvedSaurian

1919- Different mandates in the Middle East. Notice how Palestine and Lebanon are united.

Somehow this impacts the Treaty of Sevres (or the other way around), because Turkey is divided.

Different division of Germany after WW2. Czechoslovakia either splits up earlier or is never formed.

African colonies given up earlier(or overlooked).

Am I right?

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Nicole

You wouldn't need to go back to 1919 for the borders in Israel/Palestine and Lebanon- indeed, the base map was showing OTL and had those borders. Palestine could still be occupied as per OTL.

Turkey wasn't divided because of Sevres.... as for Germany and Czechoslovakia, why did it end up differently? And were those african states colonies in 1980 OTL?
 

Soyuz

POD: Rommel succeeds at conquering Egypt and then the middle east. Turkey enters with the Axis, Americans land in Algeria, Iran in the Axis, the Allies still break the tide, more effort put into liberating Middle East (by soviets) and the Balkans (by the US) to cut Axis oil supply.

And you had to name it TACO, didn't you...
 
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EvolvedSaurian

Italian Corsica, Super Romania and a divided Persia.

Perhaps the Red Army is second to enter Berlin.

Is it the 80's? Disregard then
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ES
 

Peter Cowan

Mid 1940s - the Allies pursued more of a Mediterranean strategy, possibly after Turkey entered the war on the side of the Germans.
 

Shadow Knight

Clearly Britain gets its Balkans front...which delays D-Day for awhile and the Soviets get to the Rhine, but just stall out due to exhaustion and logistics.

The middle east can be explained by Turkey entering the Axis.
 

Wendell

I guess this means that Bonn is not the capital. In fact, I am almost surprised that West Germany has not divided further here.
 

Max Sinister

Banned
The inner-German border looks as if the Soviets had started a conventional WW3 and attacked through the Fulda Gap, and also attacked the Middle East, while the Americans counter-attacked in Bohemia and the Balcans. But that doesn't explain why Italy has Corsica and is a kingdom.
 

Iñaki

Originally posted by Max Sinister
But that doesn't explain why Italy has Corsica and is a kingdom.
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I am not sure that Imajin has put Corsica under italian kingdom, is possible that we are confused and Imajin idea is put Corsica under french republic, the confussion could be because France and Italy is put in blue to indicate that are members of TACO and because as in OTL when we see a map Corsica is near Italy we are assuming because this confussion that Corsica is italian.
Imajin, Corsica is italian or french in this ATL?

Respect to the kingdom of Italy it seems that is possible that the italians monarchists win the referendum about monarchy or republic that was made in OTL in 1946, so possibily this could indicate an earlier coup against Mussolini and an earlier decision to side with the allies, or could be the allies decides at the end implement the operation to send some airborne unit to help the italians in the fight of Rome between italians and germans that happened in OTL in september 1943 when the italians make the armistice with the allies, this combined with a possible landing in Anzio instead in Salerno could make possible a general retreat of the germans in direction to the Alps, without the appearition of the National Italian Republic in the North and the partisan guerrillas this could make the sufficient difference to make possible to win for the monarchists the referendum.

I think that Shadow Knight could be in the right way, Turkey seems to have enter in the war in the axis side, also it seems Balkan front and a general decision of the balkanic allies of Germany of follow the italian example.
 

oberdada

Gone Fishin'
Interesting map.
POD? no idea.

Interesting is, that there is no West Berlin (it seems to belong to Eastern germany)
that east Slowakia does not belong to the USSR as in OTL
and that Finnland got a little bit of the USSR and now has a smal northern coastline, so that Norway and the USSR chare no land border.
 

Grimm Reaper

That comment on Finland had me thinking. Stalin never attacked Finland in 1939 and Finland stayed out of WWII. The resulting forces freed up were used to...
 

Iñaki

It is an interesting point.

It seems also in the map Finland is with the borders pre Finnish-Soviet War of OTL so is supposed that probably a finnish-soviet war no has happened or that the finnish has decided to flee from the war before the soviets could make some counteroffensive against Finland (in OTL in june 1944)
 
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oberdada

Gone Fishin'
Grimm Reaper said:
That comment on Finland had me thinking. Stalin never attacked Finland in 1939 and Finland stayed out of WWII. The resulting forces freed up were used to...
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Well the Soviet-finnish border in the south is the same as in OTL.
So something must have happened.
 

Iñaki

I thought the same until I get an Atlas and compare with the frontiers of the map, Vyborg is under finnish hands in the map of Imajin, while in OTL Vyborg is now under soviet hands.
 

oberdada

Gone Fishin'
Iñaki said:
I thought the same until I get an Atlas and compare with the frontiers of the map, Vyborg is under finnish hands in the map of Imajin, while in OTL Vyborg is now under soviet hands.
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but it is not the pre 1939 border either.
somewhere in between
 

Shadow Knight

Perhaps Sweden and Norway joined the war on Finland's side and a negotiated peace occured where the Soviets received the lands around Leningrad but didn't get the coastal strip.
 

Gladi

Bright day
Well Czechoslovakia seems to me WW2 PoD- after WWI Slovakia alone would be too easy target. Slovakia was able to pull the Romania succesfully unlike OTL (sub-carpathia could then say in)? But that would make Soviet influence more to the west? So maybe it was just a bone thrown to Stalin?
 
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