a chalenge change the world from 1800

[Ward]

Here is a chalange for you to think of . Start in 1800 and change the world as we know it .
Give your reasons for the changes and how they came about and why .
After some one post a change in the world history take it from there .
Let us see how the world changes and why .



PS donot mind my spelling scence my stroke last fall I can not spell for sh-- .

 

[Grey Wolf]

How about Napoleon killed at Marengo ? Was that the battle where his best lieutenant at the time died ? Maybe swap their fates around ?

Grey Wolf

 

[Valamyr]

A good POD around that date would be, have the Peace of Amiens implemented fully and maintained for at least 30 years (Napoleon would probably live to 1840s ITTL) through skillful diplomacy on the part of France.

Imperial France's inability to appease continental powers into accepting the Very pro-France status quo established at Amiens was largely the reason why Britain was able to mount time and time again coalitions against Napoleon.

With 30 years of peace ahead, Napoleon, a very wise and progressive ruler for his time, would build a grand France from the Pyrenees to the Rhine, from Antwerp to Genoa, with surely a solid Empire overseas, while spreading at the same time the ideology of the French revolution not through Iron but through exemple.

Given the context of the times, though, they would probably not spread as fast as they did through iron. There would be long ideological struggles across Europe but the world would surely be far different. Europe's hold on the world would surely last much longer than OTL.

Down the line, I could see a British-French-Spanish coalition fighting westwards US expansion to preserve the Imperial powers' empires in America and prevent the establishment of a "Monroe Doctrine". A war Europe could perhaps win, with earth shattering consequences for the New World.

 

[Grey Wolf]

How about Napoleon killed at Marengo ? Was that the battle where his best lieutenant at the time died ? Maybe swap their fates around ?

Grey Wolf

Looking at the detail of the battle
http://www.wtj.com/articles/marengo/articles_summary/battle.htm
you can do one of several things

What might suit best is that Napoleon continues to misread the situation, doesn't recall Desaix and in the collapse of the French front he himself is overwhelmed (it implies he went up to the front with the Consular guard). Desaix, by virtue of not being there survives.

Grey Wolf

 

[Grey Wolf]

Looking at consequences of OTL Marengo, it forced Austria to the peace table by the Autumn.

Having the First Consul killed, and the French armies badly mauled and in retreat may do the same for France instead.

Who becomes First Consul after Napoleon's death - is there an automatic Second Consul or are there a couple of equal second-rankers vying for the office ?

What happens to the French army ? Are Victor and Lannes also dead ? Does Desaix save the day on the French border ?

Grey Wolf

 

[Grey Wolf]

This guy appears to have been Second Consul:-
Jean-Jacques-Régis de Cambacérès,
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Jean%20Jacques%20R%E9gis%20de%20Cambac%E9r%E8s

Is he up to the top job ?

Quite an interesting chap - a lawyer and author of the Code Napoleon. He legalised homosexuality, being gay himself. Contemporary view/quote :-
"During the Consulate, Bonaparte, Cambacérès and Third Consul Charles-François Lebrun were known as "Qui, Quae et Quod." (He, She and It)"

He is described as a moderate and against the gathering of so much power into Napoleon's hands, though ironically under Napoleon he became the de facto domestic ruler of France whilst Napoleon was absorbed with military matters. His government seems to have been moderate and effective, despite his own tastes for high-living

The question is could Cambacérès take and hold power in the event of Napoleon's death or would someone else move against him - Lebrun perhaps, or some of the displaced leaders from previously, or maybe the military ?

If Cambacérès does consolidate his hold on power, does his moderate nature mean that he is someone the Austrians can do business with ? Would he be amenable to making peace on someone else's terms ? And if he was, would the rest of the political and military establishment follow him in it ?

Grey Wolf

 

[Ward]

This guy appears to have been Second Consul:-
Jean-Jacques-Régis de Cambacérès,
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Jean%20Jacques%20R%E9gis%20de%20Cambac%E9r%E8s

Is he up to the top job ?

Quite an interesting chap - a lawyer and author of the Code Napoleon. He legalised homosexuality, being gay himself. Contemporary view/quote :-
"During the Consulate, Bonaparte, Cambacérès and Third Consul Charles-François Lebrun were known as "Qui, Quae et Quod." (He, She and It)"

He is described as a moderate and against the gathering of so much power into Napoleon's hands, though ironically under Napoleon he became the de facto domestic ruler of France whilst Napoleon was absorbed with military matters. His government seems to have been moderate and effective, despite his own tastes for high-living

The question is could Cambacérès take and hold power in the event of Napoleon's death or would someone else move against him - Lebrun perhaps, or some of the displaced leaders from previously, or maybe the military ?

If Cambacérès does consolidate his hold on power, does his moderate nature mean that he is someone the Austrians can do business with ? Would he be amenable to making peace on someone else's terms ? And if he was, would the rest of the political and military establishment follow him in it ?

Grey Wolf

So let us take it from here with Cambaceres in power in France .

 

[Weapon M]

Gives a whole new meaning to the term "Gay Paris".....

 

[Paul Spring]

Down the line, I could see a British-French-Spanish coalition fighting westwards US expansion to preserve the Imperial powers' empires in America and prevent the establishment of a "Monroe Doctrine". A war Europe could perhaps win, with earth shattering consequences for the New World.

Why would France and Britain join to help prop up Spain's colonial empire?

 

[Grey Wolf]

So let us take it from here with Cambaceres in power in France .

Er, is someone other than me supposed to do that ?

Grey Wolf

 

[Grey Wolf]

Napoleon's death at Marengo

Its a pity that no one more qualified than myself commented on these ideas - Scott would surely know soemthing

Grey Wolf