Dromaeosaurids cant evolve into tool users IMO, why would they need tools, they already have effective tools for killing their prey. I hardly see dinosaurs as becoming sapient, and even if, they would rather like like the upper pioc suggests and remain their typical dinosaur bodyplan, and not become humanoid like older reconstructions suggest. Our ancestors had to make tools so that they can easier hunt their prey. Humans or alteast something similar could potentally evolve. Our ancestors wer monkeys, monkey like animals could also evolve with dinosaurs being alive. Mammal were quite diverse in the Cretaceous, some even preyed on young dinosaurs. I doubt dinosaurs could fill the niches normally monkeys would fit.so they are in the realm of possibility. wheater they would be able to be sapient like we are, is also possible, however rather unlikely.
Dromaeosaurids cant evolve into tool users IMO, why would they need tools, they already have effective tools for killing their prey. I hardly see dinosaurs as becoming sapient, however i won't say that it's impossible, but even if, they still have their typical theropod bodyshape like the picture shows, and not become humanoid like older reconstructions suggest. Our ancestors had to make tools so that they can easier hunt their prey. Humans or alteast something similar could potentally evolve. Our ancestors wer monkeys, monkey like animals could also evolve with dinosaurs being alive. Mammal were quite diverse in the Cretaceous, some even preyed on young dinosaurs. I doubt dinosaurs would fill the niches normally monkeys would fit. primitive primates already existed during the late Cretaceous aswell. so they are in the realm of possibility. wheater they would be able to be sapient like we are, is also possible, however rather unlikely.
Birds are dinosaurs, not dinosaurs are birds. but i dont see a predator like Troodon evolving into a tool user. Just like there arent any bird of preys which use tools.
I would rather say that descendants of small tree dwelling theropods like epidexipteryx , could take a similar way in their evolution like monkeys, and also use tools later.
Those tree dwellers will make an appearance- but they lack the need to be tool users- by your logic possums or birds would be tool users! Troodon are the best candidates because they had already developed the right traits, skills and intelligence needed.
I would like to see a vaguely intelligent troodon with basic tools but only with the intelligence of an ape I don't want them to replace humans or whatever else happens
careful what you say, Troodon itself is far away from using tools, it simply is not smart enough. A Troodon is not intelligent enough to use tools. Also your assuming that by my logic possums would be tool users is just wrong. And there are several birds who use tools.
I just said, that Scansoriopterygids, could evolve into a similar way like Monkeys did OTL, being small, opputurnistic animals which live in trees, later some of them leave trees and dwell in savannahs or forests, now that hypothetical creature, most likely it is a omnivore, so it also tools necessary of hunting bigger prey, this creature could indeed develop tools. because like i said, a predator like Troodon, who relies on this naturual weapons, has no need to use tools.
I completely agree with you! No way could Troodon descendent reach the same intelligence levels of humans! I think they would have reached Stone age possibly Bronze age intelligence- with basic villages and trading. They would never have built cities- they could never have bonded together after millions of years of living in packs!
once they reach this stage, it is only a matter of time till they get more and more advanced.
Yeah my thoughts exactly
When the world ended dinosaur evolutionary patterns were starting to go rather strange apparently and troodon is the most famous as it did have the largest intelligence (comparably with a fox)
I doubt the dino's will get to the bronze age and weapons and religion etc but they could achieve remarkable feats of intelligence for such an animal
ALSO comparing a troodon with a possum is unfair a troodon is a significant evolutionary change
And their were large dog size Mammals that hunted in packs towards the KT event so mammals were going wierd as well
Stone age then- but your theory about religion may be flawed- suppose that the basis of religion is fire or the respect for the dead? Troodon codependents could adapt that, so basic ceremony and shamanism may develop!
where have you found that information, that troodon was as intelligent as foxs.
Firstly: The horse- like animals who names I've already forgotten were changed: they had longer legs and bigger ears. And notice how there's no terror birds.......
Secondly- climate is still the same and why would troodon descendants stop some hominids from going Bipedal- in fact, this process may be speeded up as the Australopithecus needs to escape from predators!
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I loved dinos when inwas younger and as a result I know a fair share of earth history ranging from the beginning to now
Honestly, it sounds more like a lot of sensationalism to me. I think you've exaggerated all the points you've made. For example:
Troodon had a much smaller brain than most modern birds do (about one-third the proportional size, in fact), so it's highly unlikely that it was as intelligent as a fox.
There is no evidence of large packs of dog-like mammals hunting in the Late Cretaceous: there is exactly one fossil of a badger-like mammal (Repenomamus) that was found with a dinosaur hatchling preserved in its gut.
And, there is no evidence of Neanderthal or elephant religion: there is evidence of ritualistic behaviors which may bear some vague relation or resemblance to the spirituality of humans. But, we just don't know that yet, so it's best to avoid reading too much into it.
Your ideas are awesome, and many of us have wanted to do timelines like this. However, we all ultimately abandoned them because they usually either become bogged down in the maelstrom of information to assimilate, or become overly speculative, cherry-pick fests that might as well have simply started out as a fantasy world.
I'm worried a bit that you're going too far toward the fantasy route already. On the one hand, you've depicted Troodon's survival having begun to alter the evolution of Propalaeotherium by the Eocene. On the other hand, you're still holding to the idea that hominid evolution could remain essentially the same 40-some million years later.
The evolution of a species isn't a set trajectory: it's a complex, multi-factor response to a changing environment, which is strongly driven, not just by the climate, but also by a complex web of interactions among billions of organisms. Not only that, but the entire process of evolution is partly driven by tiny, random-chance events (genetic mutations), any of which can be set off their OTL trajectory by the slightest difference in behavior or experience. For example, a Troodon's shriek might interrupt a mating attempt between two little mammals a few years after the K-T, and completely alter the genealogy of entire lineages of mammals thereafter.
You can't take the approach of assuming that everything will be the same, unless there are compelling reasons to change them. Rather, you should assume that you have to change everything, even if you can't see a direct, causative link between them. Otherwise, you're dealing with such massive butterfly nets that you might as well not even pretend that you're making a timeline, and just write a fantasy like 10,000 BC or The Flintstones.