A Book Idea

Hey, guys! ^^ I'm currently beginning writing an alternate history history book, rather For Want of a Nail-style. This book's history diverges from ours during the American Revolutionary War, at the Battle of - the name escapes me, dangit! ^^ Anyway, it was during the Canadian campaign, and it was sea battle, and it was a nominal British victory, but an American victory in the tactical sense. However, here, the British score a significant - if not history-book-renowned - victory. This doesn't significantly affect the war - the British still lose - but it leaves the British in a stronger position. So, the Americans are strong-armed into recognizing Canada as reaching the Ohio River - as was declared in the Quebec Act of 1774. This leads to a rather more aggressive foreign policy, which leads to a Canadian state - a Kingdom ^^ - being formed in the early 1800s. This in turn leads a a superpower Canada that Stretches from the Arctic to California. Whaddaya think? Semi-plausible? ^^
 
Hey, guys! ^^ I'm currently beginning writing an alternate history history book, rather For Want of a Nail-style. This book's history diverges from ours during the American Revolutionary War, at the Battle of - the name escapes me, dangit! ^^ Anyway, it was during the Canadian campaign, and it was sea battle, and it was a nominal British victory, but an American victory in the tactical sense. However, here, the British score a significant - if not history-book-renowned - victory. This doesn't significantly affect the war - the British still lose - but it leaves the British in a stronger position. So, the Americans are strong-armed into recognizing Canada as reaching the Ohio River - as was declared in the Quebec Act of 1774. This leads to a rather more aggressive foreign policy, which leads to a Canadian state - a Kingdom ^^ - being formed in the early 1800s. This in turn leads a a superpower Canada that Stretches from the Arctic to California. Whaddaya think? Semi-plausible? ^^
Naw, but that's cuz I don't like Canada. Seriously, just one naval victory couldn't change that much. Then again, I'm crazy, so why listen to me?
 
Sounds fine to me! The biggest problem is going to be joining East coast Canada to Oregon-California whilst they're still "available" to be claimed - otherwise someone (fill in Mexico sorting itself out, Russia intervening, independent state a la Bear Flag, British Empire or A N Other) might get there first

By that British Empire bit I mean if independently of their Canadian set-up they end up conquering California, it doesn't seem likely they would then attach it to Canada

Best luck might be to have it all remain Mexican up into Oregon, and Canada eventually fight a war with Mexico for it

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
I'm not sure how plausible a Canada down to California is, but the Ohio part seems plausible. Also, if 54-40 or Fight had gone a lot worse for the United States, I could see Canada getting all of Oregon Territory.

What are the circumstances under which Canada became a kingdom?
Most if it is pretty plausible though.
 
Hey, guys! ^^ I'm currently beginning writing an alternate history history book, rather For Want of a Nail-style. This book's history diverges from ours during the American Revolutionary War, at the Battle of - the name escapes me, dangit! ^^ Anyway, it was during the Canadian campaign, and it was sea battle, and it was a nominal British victory, but an American victory in the tactical sense. However, here, the British score a significant - if not history-book-renowned - victory. This doesn't significantly affect the war - the British still lose - but it leaves the British in a stronger position. So, the Americans are strong-armed into recognizing Canada as reaching the Ohio River - as was declared in the Quebec Act of 1774. This leads to a rather more aggressive foreign policy, which leads to a Canadian state - a Kingdom ^^ - being formed in the early 1800s. This in turn leads a a superpower Canada that Stretches from the Arctic to California. Whaddaya think? Semi-plausible? ^^

You're thinking of the Battle of Lake Champlain, where the American forces were commanded by Benedict Arnold. I'm not entirely sure why that would put the British in any stronger of a position at the negotiations, though.
 

HueyLong

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Whats to stop a later Canadian rebellion from happening?

After all, in OTL, the British tried to stop trans-Appalachian expansion and would certainly try to stop Anglo-Canadians from reaching the Ohio (all while trying to keep French pockets for trading revenue)

Its not a happy nation, and Canada's few troubles will expand tenfold with more expansion
 
Wow! Didn't expect all these replies! Anyway...

Georgepatton: Well, the one victory doesn't affect that much - the Butterfly Effect changes the way the war goes in the west rather significantly, while the East Coast only has a few minor butterflies. ^^

Grey Wolf: Ah, thank you! ^^ The way I have it thought up, Mexico has a civil war, and Canada - which has consolidated the North-West earlier, due to being a nation earlier - sweeps south and west and conquers the territories that declared their "independence" from Mexico. Is that plausible?

rcduggan: Well, the North-West is consolidated earlier, so there isn't an "Oregon War". There is an "Ohio River War", though. ^^ Also, Canada becomes a kingdom because the "London Conference" - in London, Ontario XD - decides upon that form of government, and Britain agrees. The main reason they didn't IOTL was because America had recently become a Great Power and was offended by the thought of a kingdom. Here, America hasn't become a Great Power yet - and never really does. ^^ Also, the man selected to become King of Canada is the man who in OTL became William IV - Frederick, Duke of York doesn't die until after George IV here. ^^

The Bald Imposter: Ah, yes, thank you! Also, as stated above, it isn't the one victory, but the Butterfly Effect. ^^

HueyLong: Well, in 1774, King George and Parliament passed the Quebec Act, which extended Canada down to the Ohio River. Here, through the Butterfly Effect, they are able to hold onto the northern Ohio River Valley, and it remains British. Also, I have several French-Canadian rebellions in the TL - however, with more experience as a nation, most of them are able to be put down, and several "Reform Acts" are passed by the Canadian Parliament.

Well, thank you all for your thoughts! ^^
 
Hold up for a minute. If the entirety of Oregon Country goes to the British, would Canada get the colony then? I suspect it may want to be its own dominion, rather than go Canadian. There might be less pressure from the US, for one thing. Remember folks, the Mainland/BC colony was not part of Canada until 1871 or so, and that only happened basically due to bribery by a bunch of railroad barons who wanted to make money. Well, that's the cynical way of looking at Confederation*.

*How would we be able to get a name like, "The Confederation of Canada" or "The Confederated Provinces of Canada?"
 
Well, pieman, since Canada has been a nation longer, and is more powerful, the Oregon Country is more willing to become Canadian than IOTL.
 
You can't really use "The Butterfly Effect" as a justification for such a major change just a few years past the POD. It requires at least some justification. Why not just have the Ohio River War be a smashing American defeat, in, say, 1809?
 
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