A Bigger United States
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For the Phillippines, I think you'd need a constitutional amendment allowing them considerable autonomy and reducing their representation. Which could happen, theoretically, I guess.
HeavyWeaponsGuy
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So basically a U.S. territory.
Otherwise we can stick with the OTL ruling about how the Constitution does not follow the flag.
The French arrangement in Algeria would serve as a good guide. I imagine that most Phillipinos would be declared "nationals" but not "citizens".
Lets see here:
Panama: Just take the region instead of the canal zone only.
Canada: In the 1910s, there was a free trade agreementt between the USA and Canada sometime in the 1910s that barely failed to pass in Canada. It passes, Canada is economically dominated by the USA by 1930, ans with post WWII, agrees to be integreated.
Cuba: FDR annexes in in 1934
Greenland and Iceland: Denmark offered to sell them to the USA in OTL. Have the USA accept in ATL.
Phillipines: Divide into several territories and ready them for statehood, rather than setting them up to be a colony.
Micronesia: Post WWII, the USA controled the entire region. Istead of preping them for independance and dependance on the USA, combine them into the Commonwealth of Micronesia and ready it for statehood.
Samoa: Have the USA take the German half in WWI
And those are merely the plausible ones!
Panama: Just take the region instead of the canal zone only.
Canada: In the 1910s, there was a free trade agreementt between the USA and Canada sometime in the 1910s that barely failed to pass in Canada. It passes, Canada is economically dominated by the USA by 1930, ans with post WWII, agrees to be integreated.
Cuba: FDR annexes in in 1934
Greenland and Iceland: Denmark offered to sell them to the USA in OTL. Have the USA accept in ATL.
Phillipines: Divide into several territories and ready them for statehood, rather than setting them up to be a colony.
Micronesia: Post WWII, the USA controled the entire region. Istead of preping them for independance and dependance on the USA, combine them into the Commonwealth of Micronesia and ready it for statehood.
Samoa: Have the USA take the German half in WWI
And those are merely the plausible ones!
Tallest Skil
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Uh, no. Or maybe NAFTA doesn't exist and doesn't prove this wrong.
How?
No, the USA offered to buy them. Denmark declined.
Devvy
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Are you sure on that? Other posts have said the US wanted to buy Greenland, but Denmark refused. And I'm sure Iceland was never offered to the US, nor would the Althingi of ratified it if it was post-1918 when they gained home rule.
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Search the forums, there was a long topic on it.
Wasnt there some sort of movement to see it annexed in the 1930s?
I may have been mistaken about Denmark, then just have Denamrk accept the sale
frankly, no way for a post 1900 POD to result in the US gaining any more states than it has OTL, other than Newfoundland. The problem is that all the territories that the US could reasonably get its hands on, with the possible exception of Baja California which was pretty bare, had significant NONWHITE/NONANGLO populations. The gains of th Spanish-American War were kept on geostrategic grounds, and while Cuba was kept on a short leash it was by law NOT going to be "owned" by the US, unlike the PI, Puerto Rico & Guam. Guam is too small for statehood & the PI & Puerto Rico were never on the path to statehood - nobody wanted all those people of color/latinos to have full and equal representation & rights as US citizens. It did not take long for the US to decide they were going to put the PI on a path to independence, with US military bases and "guidance" but no US flag.
If Canada fragments, with Newfoundland having been a US state and Quebec independent you might see western Canada or parts of it joining the US - Ontario, Nova Scotia, PEI being Canada; Manitoba, Alberta, Yukon joining US, BC becoming independent republic.
If Canada fragments, with Newfoundland having been a US state and Quebec independent you might see western Canada or parts of it joining the US - Ontario, Nova Scotia, PEI being Canada; Manitoba, Alberta, Yukon joining US, BC becoming independent republic.
No, since it would still have two senators and a handful of reps.
If the US were to keep the phillippines long-term, I don't think the thing about the Constitution not following the flag would work.
If Alberta felt so maligned (e.g. w/ an NEP-on-steroids) and tried to secede, it'd have a hard time holding onto Northern Alberta let alone taking constitutional-property-of-the-Federal-Government Yukon with it (same problem Quebec would run into holding onto its north in an independence scenario).
Manitoba, pre-2000s Saskatchewan, and the Maritimes are also highly dependent on inter-provincial transfer payments which would mostly go away if they joined the US, so they'd have to take a leave of their sense to consider following Alberta. Ontario and BC are too congenitally anti-American to do so under anything but duress.
1902 - Teddy Roosevelt decides to make Cuba and Puerto Rico territories of the US. Cuba becomes a state shortly thereafter while Puerto Rico follows in 1912
1903 - the Hay-Herran treaty fails in the Colombian Senate, leading Roosevelt to intervene in Panama, but he decides that the only way to ensure stability os direct control - the Panama Territory is born in 1904 and statehood comes in 1914.
1912 - Nicaragua is occupied by the United States as part of the ongoing Banana Wars and instead of releasing the nation to its own devices it is made into a territory in 1918
1915 - Pancho Villa wrecks havoc along the US-Mexican frontier and raids into US territory. In response the Wilson administration sends an expedition force into Mexico in 1916 that eventually results in the occupation of most of Mexico due to its instability under Carranza. US takes Sonora, Baja, and Chihuahua to protect its existing borders while making Veracruz a free port and stirring up nationalism in the Yucatan but not letting them form a true nation. Tamapulias, Nuevo Leon, and Coahila will eventually move into the Union of their own accord when their governors secede to form a new Republic of the Rio Grande prior to annexation as one state in 1921
1916 - US occupation of the Dominican Republic begins as the US ousts a corrupt government, but decides to unite the territory with occupied Haiti into one government of Hispanola which becomes a state plagued with guerilla warfare for three decades
1918 - Manila becomes the capital of the US Western Pacific Territory after the locals continue ongoing guerilla warfare. Although an Independence Party will exist even into the present day, this territory becomes a state in 1932 at the same time as Hawaii
1923 - After seven coups in three years, the US occupies Honduras in the name of fruit company interests, making the region a territory in 1925 and a state alongside in Nicaragua in 1928
1940 - The United States takes over Iceland and Greenland from Denmark, after the war they elect to stay with the US as a territory and a state respectively. Dominica also becomes an island pccupied as part of lend-lease that after the war votes to join the US as a state, which the UK permits on condition of the acceptance of statehood which comes in 1954
1976 - the Quebec vote on Independence results in a 53% vote "for" and the nascent nation rallies to the secessionist cause. As a result they become their own country in 1981, but the provinces of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland apply for statehood after long negotiations with Ottowa. These become the two states of Atlantica (New Brunswick and Nova Scotia) and Newfoundland (PEI does not have enough people to become a state on its own).
1991 - British Columbia and Alberta vote to secede from Canada after they feel marginalized by Eastern Canada. As a result there is a long series of discussions that result in the full merger of the United States and the balance of Canada in 2010. Also in this year Albania, fresh from the brutality of the Cold War, asks to become part of the United States and is accepted.
1995 - Guyana elects a party dedicated to merger with the United States and its government asks for Union, which is achieved in 2010 alongside the Canadian merger
This makes for 21 new states not counting a potential Eastern Pacific Territory or something more ASB like Sicily or New Zealand joining the US. All of the above nations could easily have become States under the right or wrong circumstances and it might be plausible to have the rest of Mexico fall into US hands here. If someone would make a map it might illustrate the situation better
1903 - the Hay-Herran treaty fails in the Colombian Senate, leading Roosevelt to intervene in Panama, but he decides that the only way to ensure stability os direct control - the Panama Territory is born in 1904 and statehood comes in 1914.
1912 - Nicaragua is occupied by the United States as part of the ongoing Banana Wars and instead of releasing the nation to its own devices it is made into a territory in 1918
1915 - Pancho Villa wrecks havoc along the US-Mexican frontier and raids into US territory. In response the Wilson administration sends an expedition force into Mexico in 1916 that eventually results in the occupation of most of Mexico due to its instability under Carranza. US takes Sonora, Baja, and Chihuahua to protect its existing borders while making Veracruz a free port and stirring up nationalism in the Yucatan but not letting them form a true nation. Tamapulias, Nuevo Leon, and Coahila will eventually move into the Union of their own accord when their governors secede to form a new Republic of the Rio Grande prior to annexation as one state in 1921
1916 - US occupation of the Dominican Republic begins as the US ousts a corrupt government, but decides to unite the territory with occupied Haiti into one government of Hispanola which becomes a state plagued with guerilla warfare for three decades
1918 - Manila becomes the capital of the US Western Pacific Territory after the locals continue ongoing guerilla warfare. Although an Independence Party will exist even into the present day, this territory becomes a state in 1932 at the same time as Hawaii
1923 - After seven coups in three years, the US occupies Honduras in the name of fruit company interests, making the region a territory in 1925 and a state alongside in Nicaragua in 1928
1940 - The United States takes over Iceland and Greenland from Denmark, after the war they elect to stay with the US as a territory and a state respectively. Dominica also becomes an island pccupied as part of lend-lease that after the war votes to join the US as a state, which the UK permits on condition of the acceptance of statehood which comes in 1954
1976 - the Quebec vote on Independence results in a 53% vote "for" and the nascent nation rallies to the secessionist cause. As a result they become their own country in 1981, but the provinces of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland apply for statehood after long negotiations with Ottowa. These become the two states of Atlantica (New Brunswick and Nova Scotia) and Newfoundland (PEI does not have enough people to become a state on its own).
1991 - British Columbia and Alberta vote to secede from Canada after they feel marginalized by Eastern Canada. As a result there is a long series of discussions that result in the full merger of the United States and the balance of Canada in 2010. Also in this year Albania, fresh from the brutality of the Cold War, asks to become part of the United States and is accepted.
1995 - Guyana elects a party dedicated to merger with the United States and its government asks for Union, which is achieved in 2010 alongside the Canadian merger
This makes for 21 new states not counting a potential Eastern Pacific Territory or something more ASB like Sicily or New Zealand joining the US. All of the above nations could easily have become States under the right or wrong circumstances and it might be plausible to have the rest of Mexico fall into US hands here. If someone would make a map it might illustrate the situation better
Good enough. Mexico has had considerable troubles post-1900, and US intervention into Mexican affairs wouldn't be too hard to arrange.
Though most of Mexico's history, the bulk of the population has either hated or ignored whoever was ruling from Mexico City, which is one reason they're so often tried to throw the bastards out. Take care of the rulers, and the rest of the country would probably welcome their new Norte overlords, at least for a while.
Possible / plausible US territories include:
Panama: US goes for whole instead of just the canal zone
Bermuda: Seceded by the UK in WW2.
Newfoundland / Labrador: Ditto.
Rest of Virgin Islands: Ditto
Greenland: Denmark turns it over after WW2.
Micronesia: US retains control after WW2.
Possible / implausible include:
Canadian Eastern Provinces post Quebec independence.
Canadian Prairie / Western Provinces post Quebec independence.
Cuba post Spanish American War.
Northern Mexico / Baja California.
New Guinea and surrounding islands: Micronesian overreach.
Possible if things go completely and absolutely FUBAR:
'West Alaska' as in Calbear's AA/Nazi War.
Political Union with the UK post some really really effed up WW2 or something.
Australia / New Zealand / Whole of Canada: Ditto
ASB:
Philippines
Parts of Mexico that have actual populations at the time.
Latin America outside Panama
Hispaniola
Panama: US goes for whole instead of just the canal zone
Bermuda: Seceded by the UK in WW2.
Newfoundland / Labrador: Ditto.
Rest of Virgin Islands: Ditto
Greenland: Denmark turns it over after WW2.
Micronesia: US retains control after WW2.
Possible / implausible include:
Canadian Eastern Provinces post Quebec independence.
Canadian Prairie / Western Provinces post Quebec independence.
Cuba post Spanish American War.
Northern Mexico / Baja California.
New Guinea and surrounding islands: Micronesian overreach.
Possible if things go completely and absolutely FUBAR:
'West Alaska' as in Calbear's AA/Nazi War.
Political Union with the UK post some really really effed up WW2 or something.
Australia / New Zealand / Whole of Canada: Ditto
ASB:
Philippines
Parts of Mexico that have actual populations at the time.
Latin America outside Panama
Hispaniola
Can you cite this for me, please?
Wasn't there a TL on this a while back? How does the US get Canada in such an event?
danwild6, the Continental Navy achieved little at sea, and nothing in terms of amphibious operations, which makes it impossible for the US to gain any of those islands, let alone all of them.
As it was 1780 the speculation was not on the Americans expanding to some nearby islands but on the possible collapse of the revolt.
As it was 1780 the speculation was not on the Americans expanding to some nearby islands but on the possible collapse of the revolt.
The US did offer to buy Greenland from Denmark post ww2, but was turned down. Other then that Albania, Panama, Philippines, Haiti,Guyana, the Dominican Republic and Poland are your best 'voluntary' options. Cuba is another possibility post Castro, if only because of its large diaspora in the US
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As far as I know, Tijuana was part of San Ysidro (though, covered under the jurisdiction of the San Diego mission), and in a case like this, it would have never existed (or at least as we know it). Still, it would be a suburb of San Diego as time goes by, unless it doesn't develop like it did OTL.Yes, Tijuana would be a neighborhood in San DiegoLike Culver City and LA.
Also, as an inhabitant of Tijuana, I can also say that the geography of this place just plain sucks for urban development. Any urban expansion would have been limited to the coastline or the banks of the Tijuana river.
Adding up to the main thread:
Had the US congress approved the the annexation of Dominican Republic back in the day... and then Haiti would have fallen soon enough. There, the whole of the Hispaniola.