A Better Rifle at Halloween

Churchill knew first hand the value of a self loading weapon having carried a C96 Mauser during the Boer War. In this case he is actually qualified to properly judge what he's looking at.
 
Churchill knew first hand the value of a self loading weapon having carried a C96 Mauser during the Boer War. In this case he is actually qualified to properly judge what he's looking at.
I was thinking of the picture of him testing a Thompson sub machine gun.
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If Britain does go all in on the F-H rifle then they're likely to do what they did otl with the P.13/14 and have it built in the US at least initially rather than interrupt production of the S.M.L.E Mk III in British factories. This time though it's a mature design with proper production drawings sent to the US so rifles built in different factories will be fully interchangeable.
 
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If Britain does go all in on the F-H rifle then they're likely to do what they did otl with the P.13/14 and have it built in the US at least initially rather than interrupt production of the S.M.L.E Mk III in British factories. This time though it's a mature design with proper production drawings sent to the US so rifles built in different factories will be fully interchangeable.
Hmmm so could see this TLs Eddystone M1917 instead being a copy of the FH?
 
Maybe, if the F-H can handle the 30-06 round.

(What's the betting the troops end up calling the F-H the Fookin Hell rifle (where the officers can't hear))
 
Excellent updates, the Belgians are holding on tooth and nail and making the Germans pay in time and blood. The FQH rifle is coming along and so's the calculating device as well. And Percy Scott's been given carte blanche by Jellico to fix the Grand Fleet's gunnery....god help the Germans. And an improved QE with triples....Yes please.
 
Excellent updates, the Belgians are holding on tooth and nail and making the Germans pay in time and blood. The FQH rifle is coming along and so's the calculating device as well. And Percy Scott's been given carte blanche by Jellico to fix the Grand Fleet's gunnery....god help the Germans. And an improved QE with triples....Yes please.
Now you just need someone to sit on Beatty and stop him relaxing ammunition handling safety procedures and removing blast doors from the barbettes.
 
Now you just need someone to sit on Beatty and stop him relaxing ammunition handling safety procedures and removing blast doors from the barbettes.

Or can Beatty possibly get kicked in the head by a horse or something :p The problem was that the Admiralty knew they had shell issues, but they kept it under wraps. And by the time the big battles came around, the RN had shot off most of its pre-war ammunition and had to rely on the stuff they were churning out in the war and they had defective fuses.
 
Or can Beatty possibly get kicked in the head by a horse or something :p The problem was that the Admiralty knew they had shell issues, but they kept it under wraps. And by the time the big battles came around, the RN had shot off most of its pre-war ammunition and had to rely on the stuff they were churning out in the war and they had defective fuses.
That's not the issue I was thinking of. What really needs stopping is Beatty allowing his gunnery officers to stuff the turrets full of ready use ammunition and removing the flash doors in the barbettes to speed up the rate of fire. Result, a hit on the turret sets off the ready use ammunition and the resulting flash of the explosion goes straight to the magazines blowing up the ship.
 
That's not the issue I was thinking of. What really needs stopping is Beatty allowing his gunnery officers to stuff the turrets full of ready use ammunition and removing the flash doors in the barbettes to speed up the rate of fire. Result, a hit on the turret sets off the ready use ammunition and the resulting flash of the explosion goes straight to the magazines blowing up the ship.

True but that might have only been one contributing factor, indeed even with the flash doors there, on the earlier ships they were not really flash proof and were of somewhat lightweight construction. Beatty's orders made a bad situation worse.
 
True but that might have only been one contributing factor, indeed even with the flash doors there, on the earlier ships they were not really flash proof and were of somewhat lightweight construction. Beatty's orders made a bad situation worse.
No ones where.

The Germans only learned at Dogger Bank after Seydlitz was almost lost to an ammunition fire

Sadly the British BC force learned the wrong lessons thinking increased ROF was needed over better accuracy (and better ability to identify their own fall of shot) not helped by not having any gunnery ranges where they were based.

This started to be addressed in 1916 (the reason 5th BS was attached was to allow 1 BC Squadron to be detached to join the Grand Fleet for gunfire training - but only 1st BCS under Hood had completed a rotation before Jutland and its superior gunnery was evident)
 
Why is everyone being so nice to Beatty. I send him off to the White Man's Grave where there's a new and interesting tropical illness around every corner and you now want him to go to much healthier locations instead.
 
So if Liege falls the Germans are going to seize a wrecked town and any value to it being an important logistics hub is gone due to its train depot, station and associated facilities and equipment being utterly destroyed and hard if not impossible to repair immediately. Sure when the town's occupied for longer the repairs can be made, but you're talking months and months of work, combined with the sheer delay in taking the city as well as the human cost on both sides.

For the Germans its a painful delay, for the French (and Allies as a whole) its a rallying cry, and you can bet that the Allied Governments will use the civilian deaths and 'barbarism' of the Germans artillery barrage to maximum effect both at home, and abroad.
Historically it is very hard to totally destroy rail yards, it is surprising how quickly some capacity can be reinstated, sometimes in days rather than weeks. Total restoration would likely take several months though, I think it is likely some 20% in a couple of weeks and full taking months, it would certainly require considerable resources diverted from the home rail systems.
 
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