A bad day at Goodyear: WI no Beach Boys?

oberdada

Gone Fishin'
If you mean the urban riots, then I don't know why things would be any different.

Less drugs smoked? Maybe in the Americancentric pop community who lived in the canyons, but I wouldn't know...



Jimi?

You obviously don't know what I meant.
Brian Wilson abandoned (or on todays perspective postponed) the recording of the Fire Section of Smile after finding out that there an unusul number of Fires during the recording, believing he had caused it.

That would have been butterflied away in this Timeline;)
 
You obviously don't know what I meant.
Brian Wilson abandoned (or on todays perspective postponed) the recording of the Fire Section of Smile after finding out that there an unusul number of Fires during the recording, believing he had caused it.

That would have been butterflied away in this Timeline;)

Wait, he thought that a work of art that he hadn't finished was effecting the world outside the studio?!

He was taking many little tabs with these :) on them, wasn't he?
 

oberdada

Gone Fishin'
Wait, he thought that a work of art that he hadn't finished was effecting the world outside the studio?!

He was taking many little tabs with these :) on them, wasn't he?

Yes, and waiting for it was worth it. (I am not that old)

Listening to Mrs. O'Learies Cow performed live was one of the greatest musical experiences of my live.

I doubt Brian Wilson will play it on this Summers tour, it is supposed to be "greatest hits".
 

Hendryk

Banned
There's something I'd like to know, and that's how influential the Beach Boys were in creating the modern image of California. By making the surf subculture mainstream, they gave the rest of America, and by extension the world, an image of California that has been around to this day, the sun-drenched beaches, the palm trees, the eternal summer and the laid-back atmosphere. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem to me that California had that kind of image before the early 1960s.
 

oberdada

Gone Fishin'
There's something I'd like to know, and that's how influential the Beach Boys were in creating the modern image of California. By making the surf subculture mainstream, they gave the rest of America, and by extension the world, an image of California that has been around to this day, the sun-drenched beaches, the palm trees, the eternal summer and the laid-back atmosphere. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem to me that California had that kind of image before the early 1960s.

I think they are a big part of it, but California wasn't that unpopular before.
Just think about Hollywood.
For people heading west from the dustball during the Great Depression it was almost the promised land.
And San Francisco becoming the Gay capital of the US had nothing to do with the Beach Boys.
 

Hendryk

Banned
I think they are a big part of it, but California wasn't that unpopular before.
Just think about Hollywood.
For people heading west from the dustball during the Great Depression it was almost the promised land.
And San Francisco becoming the Gay capital of the US had nothing to do with the Beach Boys.
Sure, California was already seen as a good place to go, something like America's own America. But, although I'm willing to be corrected on that one, I don't think that the general perception of California was quite the same before and after the Beach Boys. And the change became self-reinforcing once people started coming to California with Beach Boys songs in their heads, gradually turning it into the kind of place they expected it to be.

When I read Of Mice And Men in junior high, I would never have guessed it took place in California if I hadn't been told. The California of the 1930s didn't have sandy beaches, it had fruit orchards. Likewise, where are the sunshine and palm trees in Oil!, The Maltese Falcon or The Blue Dahlia?
 
Sure, California was already seen as a good place to go, something like America's own America. But, although I'm willing to be corrected on that one, I don't think that the general perception of California was quite the same before and after the Beach Boys. And the change became self-reinforcing once people started coming to California with Beach Boys songs in their heads, gradually turning it into the kind of place they expected it to be.

When I read Of Mice And Men in junior high, I would never have guessed it took place in California if I hadn't been told. The California of the 1930s didn't have sandy beaches, it had fruit orchards. Likewise, where are the sunshine and palm trees in Oil!, The Maltese Falcon or The Blue Dahlia?


Edward Byrnes & Connie Stevens said:
CONNIE: Kookie, Kookie, lend me your comb. Kookie, Kookie?
EDWARD: Well now, let's take it from the top & grab some wheels
& on the way we'll talk about some cuckoo deals.
C: But Kookie, Kookie, lend me your comb. Kookie, Kookie?

E: Now you're on the way, miss, & I'm readin' you just fine.
Don't cut out of here till we get on Cloud 9.
C: But Kookie?<snip inane lyrics>

E: What's with this comb caper, baby? Why do you wanna latch up with my comb?
C: I just want you to stop combing your hair...& kiss me. You're the maximum utmost.
E: Well, I beans & I dreams goin', I'm movin' right now
'Cause that's the kind of scene that I dig...baby, you're the ginchiest!

A very distinctive SoCal popular culture was created for TV audiences in the fifties. Even though the Beach Boys took surfer culture as far as possible (like others with bikers or hot-rodders), SoCal had already achieved its own unique teenybopper status.

The Endless Summer would still be released, anyway.
 
There's something I'd like to know, and that's how influential the Beach Boys were in creating the modern image of California.

The Beach Boys' first hit record came in 1962. At the time there were enough other groups with songs about surfing, beaches and driving that the Beach Boys were only one of many artists promoting the theme. The Beach Boys put seven songs on the charts in 1962 and 1963, not enough to establish a commanding influence. The Beach Boys' primary influence was to hold up the California image through the heyday of music's revolution(1964-1967): concurrent with the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Supremes, Motown, etc.
 
But what's really going to suck is what happens to Elephant 6. THERE MIGHT BE NO ELEPHANT 6 (or a vastly different Elephant 6)! WHICH MEANS THERE MIGHT BE NO NEUTRAL MILK HOTEL! NMH IS MY FAVORITE BAND, I CAN'T POSSIBLY LIVE WITHOUT THEM NOW! :eek:

*calms down*

But yeah, the Elephant 6 Collective (which includes bands like Apples In Stereo, Neutral Milk Hotel, Olivia Tremor Control, Of Montreal, etc.) counts the Beach Boys as one of its greatest influences. Members of the Apples In Stereo met thanks to conversations over how much they liked the Beach Boys. And Robert Schneider, who produced lots of Elephant 6 albums (including Neutral Milk Hotel's In the Aeroplane Over the Sea, a.k.a. the greatest album ever made) will no longer have the influence of Brian Wilson as a great auteur.

I don't like the Beach Boys that much (the only one of their albums that I actually have is Pet Sounds), BUT THEY MUST BE ALLOWED TO EXIST IN ORDER FOR ME TO BE HAPPY!

NO BEACH BOYS!!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....................................................


The trouble with comments like this is the simple fact that, if they never existed, you would have lived through that ATL without knowing that there was any possibility of the Beach boys or anyone who inspired them existing, and thus would not care less. As the old proverb goes: "What the eye doesn't see," or in this case, what the ear doesn't hear, "the heart doesn't grieve over."
 
The notion of vocal-harmony driven popular music is going to be radically different in this TL. The Beach Boys are the cornerstone in what can be done with harmonies in the context of pop and rock, and their efforts were far more advanced than their contemporaries. Harmony will probably be far less popular, if anything considered an embellishment rather than something that can be integral to popular music. And, of course, the list of bands we won't have is immense.

The other matter is that, without the evocation of joy and innocence in their music, the Summer of Love is going to look very different. Without Pet Sounds, there's no radio-friendly psychedelic numbers to appeal to the masses, and nothing for the rock crowd like the Grateful Dead and Jimi Hendrix to react against. Basically, no Beach Boys probably means no La's and no Rage Against The Machine.

I'm glad I don't live in this TL...
 
The Beach Boys are the cornerstone in what can be done with harmonies in the context of pop and rock, and their efforts were far more advanced than their contemporaries.

The Beach Boys emphasized harmony when most of the latest breaking music did not. We think that without them, music would have taken a more harsh, coarse sound. There is another factor, though: the impact of Top 40 radio over the spectrum of popular music in the sixties.

Top 40 was a mixture of songs of different genres, with the British Invasion and youth-oriented rock taking center stage in the mid to late sixties. You still had different styles on the same chart: Frank Sinatra, Johnny Cash, Johnny Rivers, Peter, Paul & Mary, and numerous instrumentals. A typical radio station had a defined format: the first song of the hour had to be from the top ten, followed by a brand new release, and songs of different style would alternate. Fast paced songs would alternate with slower ones; female lead vocals would alternate with male leads.

Top 40 radio had a captive market with the young audience, as the bulk of stations in a given market were still competing for the 40-year old commuter who wanted nothing to do with the Beatles or Rolling Stones. "Rock only" formats would not hit the FM spectrum until 1969 and later.

Without question, the development of classic rock music in the sixties would be quite different without the Beach Boys. But the Top 40 based marketing structure would make the difference less drastic for the consumer.
 
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