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I need help with an idea I have for a Venice empire ...I need to know the event that sealed venices end as a major power.
 
I need help with an idea I have for a Venice empire ...I need to know the event that sealed venices end as a major power.


15th Century. Military adventures up to the fall of Constantinople, which Venice had supported, incurring the enmity of the Ottomans. Followed by the subsequent devastation of the Black Death.
 
Ok I will try to remember that. what else could be prevented to maintain Venice? What did Not happen.


Well, the political issues resulting form their support of the Byzantines are "easy" to avoid; don't have them do so. Good luck finding a plausible explanation for avoiding the Black Death, though. That's coming, no one knew it was coming and no one knew what to do when it arrived.

EDIT: Be aware that there was good reason for them to help Constantinople - they had been trading partners in a big way for a long time, so a lot of money was involved.
 
Be aware that there was good reason for them to help Constantinople - they had been trading partners in a big way for a long time, so a lot of money was involved.

Not only that, but over the years they had wrangled huge concessions out of the Byzantines. They had reason to want to support them, as anyone who displaced them was never going to have reason to give them the same benefits of bargaining from a weak position like the Byzantines did.
 
The main thing that brought Venice's empire was the repeated bites the Ottomans took out of it. However that empire was built out of the collapse of the Byzantine Empire, largely caused by Venice in the Fourth Crusade, which allowed the Ottomans to move in. Post 1204, for Venice to prosper, there cannot be an empire centered around Constantinople. The OTL Ottomans clobbered Venice and any other Turkish empire will do the same. A strong post-Fourth Crusade Byzantine Empire will have an extra incentive to do the same (while a weak one will likely collapse similarly to OTL). A Bulgarian or Serbian Empire, while it may not be strong enough to threaten Crete or Cyprus, could still cause a lot of trouble for the Venetians in Dalmatia (along with the Hungarians who don't get conquered by Ottomans).

And having Venice own Constantinople won't help either. Everybody in the Aegean basin will be gunning for them. The Queen of Cities is a prize that cannot go uncontested.

I think the best bet would be to have a POD before 1204, allowing a strong Byzantine Empire with good relations with Venice. While this means that Venice won't get its OTL Aegean territories, it could build up an empire in northeast Italy, Dalmatia, and the Levant instead.
 
Post 1204, for Venice to prosper, there cannot be an empire centered around Constantinople.

This. Keep the Balkans and Anatolia divided into weak statelets, none of which are able to take over one another, and Venice can prosper. I'm thinking Bulgaria and Serbia as mid level powers, an independent Epirus, an ERE that controls Thrace, the Peloponesos and bits of Anatolia, and various Turkish states. Attica and Thessaly under a Crusader kingdom, perhaps?

Venice can play clever, and squash any power in the region that looks like it's becoming too big a threat.
 
Ok I will begin.


1204

The streets of Constantiople were in chaos the Emperor had died... the only one with any claim to the throne was his 15 year old daughter....to make matters worse...the Turks were at the gates. The only hope seemed to lie with the Veitnian fleet that was sighted near the Bosphorus mouth.

This is a start I await your advice.
 

Anaxagoras

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Ok I will begin.


1204

The streets of Constantiople were in chaos the Emperor had died... the only one with any claim to the throne was his 15 year old daughter....to make matters worse...the Turks were at the gates. The only hope seemed to lie with the Veitnian fleet that was sighted near the Bosphorus mouth.

This is a start I await your advice.

You need to do a bit more basic research first, methinks. Start with looking up what happened in Constantinople in 1204.
 
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