714 - 816 : Iron Shield (ATL) Part I

Hi! This is a short ATL I have written.It is also my first.

714: The Frankish Empire crumbles as civil war breaks out.Charles Martel declares the Kingdom of France.

732: German East Francia breaks away from France as Moors invade Europe.

735: Moors take control of France due to the lack of French morale and the soldiers who would be from now split Germany.Martel's successor,Pepin III,flees to Britain.

742: Pepin III makes an uneasy alliance with German Frank tribes and invades the German Netherlands.

757: The Kingdom of Germany is formed when Aachen falls to Frank and Pepin's forces.

781: King Charlemagne invades Moorish France.

783: France and Portugal are reclaimed by Charlemagne's forces.

784: Andalusia in Spain falls to Charlemagne.In gratitude,The Pope proclaims him The Emperor of All Europe.

793: Lombards in Padania revolt and proclaim the Kingdom of Lombardia.

795: Forces from across Europe defeat the Lombads at The Battle of Milan.

814: Charlemagne dies.Brittany and the Lombards revolt once more,while Magyars in Ukraine and Hungary and Nords invade.The Lombards take over Rome.

816: The last ethnic Franks and Saxons leave for England.

There WILL be a sequel.I have had this written for two months,but I just joined this site.
 
So muslim rule south france/ aquitane now? that would be interesting how butterfly flaps(so europe now end at some river in france now?)
 
I am... Thoroughly confused. The Moors do better against the Franks, which results in a Frankish conquest of what appears to be the entire Iberian peninsula?
 
Hey, pretty good. A few quibbles:

1) The Arabs in Spain weren't really in a position to fully invade France at any time, because of the big-ass mountains disrupting trade and chains of command; the low Arab/Berber population in Spain and the fact that they'd only just conquered a pretty large country and were still figuring out how to administrate it effectively. The Battle of Tours was really just one of several exploratory raids that beset the Languedoc region (mainly the Rhone Valley) during the 730s. Let's go with it anyway - almost everyone on the forum has been told, very patiently, the same sort of thing by LSCatilina at some point.

2) Considering it took Charlemagne from 772 to 780 just to conquer Saxony (followed by 20-odd years of rebellions) it is pretty unlikely that he would be able to conquer the whole of France, Spain and Portugal in a three-year period (also, Portugal wasn't a natural territorial unit at this time, but that's a ridiculously minor quibble). Seeing as you have nothing happening between 784 and 814 bar a Lombard rebellion, you can afford to spread it out a bit.

3) The butterfly effect is interpreted differently by different people, but a PoD in 714 means that Charlemagne, born in the mid-740s, won't necessarily exist, and the likelihood of him being identical to OTL in terms of genetics, parentage, name and abilities is verging on the ridiculous. Him dying in the same year as OTL is what underscores this and kinda pushes it over the edge of plausibility.

4) It sounds like Charlemagne's massive Frankish European Empire collapses so much in the space of two years that entire ethnicities are vanquished from the European mainland. A) There will always be people who will stay in an occupied area no matter what their race - for example, when the Nazis invaded Poland, we didn't see every single ethnic Pole fleeing the country, did we? B) As I mentioned above, wars in Early Medieval Europe took time. A load of Barbarians taking over Western Europe took a couple of centuries when the WRE collapsed; it probably wouldn't happen in two years at this point.

Sorry for being a bit harsh. This is actually pretty interesting, but a few aspects detract from the plausibility aspect somewhat.

Oh, and welcome to the forums! :D
 
I am... Thoroughly confused. The Moors do better against the Franks, which results in a Frankish conquest of what appears to be the entire Iberian peninsula?

Originally the Moors invaded France and the Iberian Peninsula as the French were extremely weak,but years later,German and other European forces retook it as they were now much more powerful and were under leadership of the great Charlemagne.
 
Hey, pretty good. A few quibbles:

1) The Arabs in Spain weren't really in a position to fully invade France at any time, because of the big-ass mountains disrupting trade and chains of command; the low Arab/Berber population in Spain and the fact that they'd only just conquered a pretty large country and were still figuring out how to administrate it effectively. The Battle of Tours was really just one of several exploratory raids that beset the Languedoc region (mainly the Rhone Valley) during the 730s. Let's go with it anyway - almost everyone on the forum has been told, very patiently, the same sort of thing by LSCatilina at some point.

2) Considering it took Charlemagne from 772 to 780 just to conquer Saxony (followed by 20-odd years of rebellions) it is pretty unlikely that he would be able to conquer the whole of France, Spain and Portugal in a three-year period (also, Portugal wasn't a natural territorial unit at this time, but that's a ridiculously minor quibble). Seeing as you have nothing happening between 784 and 814 bar a Lombard rebellion, you can afford to spread it out a bit.

3) The butterfly effect is interpreted differently by different people, but a PoD in 714 means that Charlemagne, born in the mid-740s, won't necessarily exist, and the likelihood of him being identical to OTL in terms of genetics, parentage, name and abilities is verging on the ridiculous. Him dying in the same year as OTL is what underscores this and kinda pushes it over the edge of plausibility.

4) It sounds like Charlemagne's massive Frankish European Empire collapses so much in the space of two years that entire ethnicities are vanquished from the European mainland. A) There will always be people who will stay in an occupied area no matter what their race - for example, when the Nazis invaded Poland, we didn't see every single ethnic Pole fleeing the country, did we? B) As I mentioned above, wars in Early Medieval Europe took time. A load of Barbarians taking over Western Europe took a couple of centuries when the WRE collapsed; it probably wouldn't happen in two years at this point.

Sorry for being a bit harsh. This is actually pretty interesting, but a few aspects detract from the plausibility aspect somewhat.

Oh, and welcome to the forums! :D

Well,thanks for your opinion.I hope you like the rest! It will be up later tonight.
 
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