3rd Countries of an Alternate World Thread

Osakadave

Osakadave

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Darwin:
Official Name: The Commonwealth of Darwin and Northern Australia
Common Names: Darwin
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Darwin
Head of State: Prime Minister Eric Smythe
Population: 4,345,000
Language: English
Religion: 85% Buddhist/Shinto, 10% Catholic, 5% Protestant
Founding date: 1871
Date of maximum extent: 1875
Date of current borders: 1902

Conch:
Official Name: The Conch Republic
Common Names: Conch Republic
Government Type: Direct Democracy
Capital: Miami
Head of State: Secretary General Peter Anderson
Population: 17,764,000
Language: English, Spanish
Religion: ChristianFounding date: 1982
Date of maximum extent: 2000
Date of current borders: 2000
 
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Iserlohn

Official Name: The Hanoveran Empire of Germany
Common Names: Hanover; Hannover; Germany
Government Type: Constitutional monarchy
Capital: Hanover (capital of the empire); New Bremen (OTLs Portland, Maine; American capital); Windhuk (OTLs Windhoek; African capital)
Head of State: Emperor Ernst August III. of Hanover
Population: 86,634,000
Languages: German (Official); Oshiwambo (in African colonies)
Religion: Lutheran; Roman Catholic
Founding date: 1241 (Free City State of Hanover); 1715 (Kingdom/ Empire of Hanover)
Date of maximum extent: 1897
Date of current borders: 1969

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I have a small question: How can a language like English or French develop, if there is no England or France and how can a non-existent nation, which is mostly taken by a Roman Empire, create colonies without any problems? That is worse than ASB, folks, it's completly unlikely. It just bothers me, y'know?

EDIT: I added the founding date of the city state of Hanover as well, which is 1241. Just a little piece of history.

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Zuvarq

Iserlohn said:
I have a small question: How can a language like English or French develop, if there is no England or France and how can a non-existent nation, which is mostly taken by a Roman Empire, create colonies without any problems? That is worse than ASB, folks, it's completly unlikely. It just bothers me, y'know?
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Franks go into eastern Iberia, creating French. Someone should create a 'France' that consists of the historical kingdom of Aragon.

'Spanish' is spoken in the rest of Iberia minus Portugal.

Latin influences on Celtic would make this worlds English

Can I make a nation without putting it on the map? I'm not good with maps. :eek:
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ok




also I claim next
 

Zuvarq

Official Name: United Socialist Republic of France
Common Names: France
Government Type: Communist Dictatorship
Capital: Paricelona
Head of State: Martin Chevaulier
Population: 22,000,000
Languages: French
Religion: Catholic Christianity, Arian Christianity
Founding date: 560, 1200
Date of maximum extent: 1823
Date of current borders: 1923
Map:

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Zuvarq

List of nations by government types

The 'Free' Club
-Direct Democracy
---Conch Republic
-Republic
---Portugal
---La Plata
---Nippon
---Patagonia
-Constitutional Monarchy
---Darwin
---Hannover
---Roman Empire
---Josun
---Slavic
---Crusader Kingdom
-Semi-presidential republic
---Venice

The Communist Club
-Communist Dictatorship
---France

The Totalitarian Club
-Federal Empire
---Western Roman Empire

List of nations by type

Big
Roman/Byzantine Empire (Xwarq)
Patagonia (KingByng)
Western Roman Empire (Axeman)
La Plata (Khazat)
Josun (Plumber)
Slavic (Seraphim74)
Crusader Kingdom (WorldWarZ)
Hannover (Iserlohn)
Ezo/Northern Japan (Jack London)

Small
Portugal (Xwarq)
France (Xwarq)
Venice (Saya Aensland)
Pictland (karl2025)
Nishi Nippon/Southern Japan (Osakadave)
Darwin (Osakadave)
Conch (Osakadave)
 
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False Dmitri

Iserlohn said:
PS:
I have a small question: How can a language like English or French develop, if there is no England or France and how can a non-existent nation, which is mostly taken by a Roman Empire, create colonies without any problems? That is worse than ASB, folks, it's completly unlikely. It just bothers me, y'know?
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This type of exercise will always produce an ASB result. That is just a part of the game, and I figure if the suspension of disbelief is too great for me to make, I don't have to participate.

For Map Continuation 3, we brought some order to the chaos by setting an approximate PoD beforehand (it was c. 1200, meaning that you could freely evolve nations from 1200 onwards, but everything before that was as in OTL, and everything after 1200 had to be different from OTL). MC3's originator (Krall) also took veto power over the original claims, mostly in order to enforce the 1200 PoD rule. But the end result was still not acceptable from a strict Alternate History point of view, and alien space bats are still employed at various points in the TL, although they have a more muted background role than in something like this, where there are no real ground rules for making the timeline.

Bottom line: the normal rules of AH cannot be applied to a world created by a large group making random countries. I won't even try to pick apart Xwarq's attempts to explain the European languages: they aren't really needed, and they don't make logical sense anyway. This world is going to follow its own rules, but they only need to make sense within the context of itself, if that makes any sense.
 

Zuvarq

Benkarnell said:
This type of exercise will always produce an ASB result. That is just a part of the game, and I figure if the suspension of disbelief is too great for me to make, I don't have to participate.

For Map Continuation 3, we brought some order to the chaos by setting an approximate PoD beforehand (it was c. 1200, meaning that you could freely evolve nations from 1200 onwards, but everything before that was as in OTL, and everything after 1200 had to be different from OTL). MC3's originator (Krall) also took veto power over the original claims, mostly in order to enforce the 1200 PoD rule. But the end result was still not acceptable from a strict Alternate History point of view, and alien space bats are still employed at various points in the TL, although they have a more muted background role than in something like this, where there are no real ground rules for making the timeline.

Bottom line: the normal rules of AH cannot be applied to a world created by a large group making random countries. I won't even try to pick apart Xwarq's attempts to explain the European languages: they aren't really needed, and they don't make logical sense anyway. This world is going to follow its own rules, but they only need to make sense within the context of itself, if that makes any sense.
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I've been thinking about that. I probably should have required a PoD of 1000 or 1200. My Byzantine Empire is the medieval empire, was mistaken as the Eastern Roman Empire from 500, so people made all these ancient nations.

What would make more sense is if the Western Roman Empire considered itself a successor to the western Roman Empire, however it actually comes from France, and perhaps the old government exiled to the territories they had in Aragon.

Pictland would be Scotland etc.

Most of these problems came from the IROC/Western Roman Empire anyway.




It still makes a cool world, but since this thread unlike the others, we discuss history separately of the nations, we have to be able to draw it together somehow to create the history. Which by the way no one has discussed except me yet.
 
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Jack London

Official Name:The Republic of Ezo
Common Names: Ezo sometimes The Tokugawa Republic
Government Type: Republic
Capital: Hakodate
Head of State: Senji Takeaki
Population: 7 million
Languages: Japanese
Religion: traditional 55% Buddhism 45%
Founding date: 1868

ok i cant post a map can i email it to someone and they post it for me ?
 

Zuvarq

Jack London said:
Official Name:The Republic of Ezo
Common Names: Ezo sometimes The Tokugawa Republic
Government Type: Republic
Capital: Hakodate
Head of State: Senji Takeaki
Population: 7 million
Languages: Japanese
Religion: traditional 55% Buddhism 45%
Founding date: 1868

ok i cant post a map can i email it to someone and they post it for me ?
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I'll make the map. I'll call your nation Northern Japan as the common name.

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Axeman

This history is turning semi-plausible if everyone keeps in mind the fact that we are just using "French" for the language of the Franks, not necessarily the modern day French dialect. Itallian is descendant from "Gothic Latin" and so on.

So if we just accept some strange names and keep in mind the languages need not be identical then this is turning out to be a decent map thread.
 

jmberry

Official Name: Empire of New Nihon
Common Names: New Japan, Kyoto-in-Exile
Government Type: Militaristic Monarchy
Capital: New Kyoto [OTL Manila]
Head of State: Yamato Go-Mutsuhito
Population: 90,000,000
Languages: Japanese (Different dialect than the Home Islands, hence the different transliteration of "Nippon"), dozens of regional languages including Tagalog
Religion: Mahayana Buddhism, Imperial Shintoism (official), Hinduism, Animism
Founding date: 250, 1868
Date of maximum extent: 1570
Date of current borders: 1869
Map:

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Greyfang

Official Name: Republic of Gibraltar
Common Names: Guardian of the Mediterranean
Government Type: Oligarchic Republic
Capital: Gibraltar
Head of State: Consul Nacio Efraín and Leonardo Marta
Population: 26 million
Languages: Spanish, French
Religion: Catholic Christianity
Founding date: 1427
Date of maximum extent: 1661
Date of current borders: 1990
Map:

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theReturner

Official Name: Republic of Alaska
Common Names: Alaska
Government Type: Communist Democracy
Capital: Anchorage
Head of State: Theodore Palin
Population: 460,347
Languages: Russian, English
Religion: Christian, Atheist
Founding date: 1860
Date of maximum extent: 1901
Date of current borders: 1911

For the map, it basically OTL Alaska, and the western half of the Yukon.
 
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