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[HueyLong]

Rather than free trade, I would expect a mercantile approach.

Certain Polish resources are given monopolies, Russia is the exclusive buyer.... stuff like that.

 

[Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy]

A ship with joint instructions from France and Austria was sent to Constantinople. They requested an Ottoman army march on Germany. They were to be given safe passage through the Austrian Empire.

You're kidding me, right. Ignoring the religious consequences of calling on a Muslim power to march into Christian land, why the hell would the Austrians do that?

 

[Jammy]

Ignoring everything its another good addition, however even though there allies would the hasburgs do that? the only reason other than alliance was that they had been bleed already and need the same to happen to the ottermans
Also once there will the ottermans leave? could be a dodgy situation

 

[Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy]

Iotl, the British Empire was allied to the Soviet Union, to oppose Fascism. Opposed Powers can work together if they percieve the enemy as being larger, on the principle of'my enemies enemy is my friend'

Yes, but Britain didn't invite Soviet troops on its soil and the USSR didn't invite British troops on its own.

Why I made the Ottoman/Habpsburg march.
I did give it some thought, and I realise its controversial, but I will put more detail into it for you.
The Austrians face the following situation
1)they have a serious enemy in Germany, which they are finding difficult if not impossible to beat
2)There is still a fear that Austria might rebel if The German Republic is succesful
3)This would lead to the end of their power in Central Europe(albiet as a junior partner to France they are the dominant power)
4)They need to end this situation

The DGD, as you call it, is in northern Germany, far away from Habsburg lands and engaged in a fight with France. And I have to say that I find it very weird that the French were able to take the Netherlands so easily, but now Franco-Austrian troops have quickly been thrown out and are facing a stalemate. I have nothing against posters trying to pull their TLs in a certain direction, but it has to be realistic.

5)They have attacked in the South. That failed

When?

6)They attacked in the West, with a strong Franco Spanish Force, that failed
7)They are aware of the disaster in the low countries.
8)they need manpower more than anything

Except it was a really stupid thing to get involved in the 1st place.

9)The Ottomans have been kept out as, I agree as a muslim power , there would be a resentment against them, but now they need the manpower more than anything

Resentment? That's an understatement. The Catholic power that invited the Ottomans into Central Europe, which they menaced for over a century before being turned back at Vienna (only 25 years before), would quickly find itself excommunicated.

10)Should they win the war and the Ottomans try and stay, or gain land this would be foolish as it would pit them against the French, Spanish, Dutch, Germans and Austrians

Neither French, Spanish, Dutch, nor Germans would move a finger if the Ottomans used those well-placed troops to take back lands they lost after 1683.

11)Should they lose, they feel their power would be diminished, but there is a belief France will still be onside if not they would be in trouble anyway, as the Ottomans would be Fresh and they would be war weary, this would also lead to the Ottomans suffering a major defeat. This would lead to a Ottoman/Austrian War.

Why they didn't just attack Turkey when France couldn't react I'll never understand.

12)The Ottomans have been at war with Russia inside the Past 20 years, so if the Ottomans were concentrating on Hapsburg lands, the Russians will move in.

Yeah, and the Austrians would much rather move in themselves than let the Russians do it and take some of the same land they want.

Overall I feel the odds are in this scenario the Ottomans would be invited for these reasons.

Overall, I'm going to stop reading this scenario if the idea isn't dropped, as I've never been a fan of ASBs.

 

[Jammy]

so we got one hell of a battle comming up

If the french get conclusivly beat, might the britsh invade and try and take some land back?

 

[Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy]

Sinse you are so opposed to the idea I will drop it, but I still dont agree about the Ottoman position.
http://www.geocities.com/serban_marin/ciobanu2001.html
This is 90 years later, but the Swedes and the Prussians, were both prepared deal with the Ottomans in Europe as a matter of security, if the circumstances were right I feel that any power would deal with any other. England and the French Nobility dealt with each other during the French revolution, despite the fact that before the revolution they were classed as enemies.
They attacked in the south in the inconclusive battle of Rosenheim, which in effect was a defeat, a withdrawal back to Austrian lands would have been an admission of this, and Austria is already unstable. This is why they marched to France, to meet an allied army, and to prepare for the November offensives.

The article is about the diplomatic integration of Turkey in Europe, a completely different matter. And this is just 9 years after Carlowitz. Just look at all the Austro-Turkish fighting that took place over the next 8 decades in OTL to get an idea of what the Austrians would think about it.

The DGD, was simply an an anacronym for the Danes, the Germans and the Dutch.

I knew that.

Again their own stability is under threat by the German revolution. Do you think that this would have no effects on Austria? This is the reason they are involved in Germany. I dont understand why you disagree with that. In effect it is a war to retain the order in Central Europe, it would be difficult enough to find circumstances that Austria would stay on the sidelines, and the ideologies of the Hapsburgs and the Republicans are so opposed it makes it virtually impossible.

Because these German republicans are based in northern Germany, giving Austria time to prepare in case they actually get a chance to spread south. Because France is already fighting them. Because the ideologies of the Russians, Poles, Swedes, (BTW, what happened to Prussia?), British, and even Danes are opposed to that of the republicans. The Austrians would know that there are many other nations who'd oppose the republicans should France fail (as in being defeated, since a stalemate is quite convenient).

Also I feel you are viewing the manner of the states through a very machiavellian viewpoint, when I dont believe states often act in that manner.

I honestly take that as a compliment.

The French are in danger of the Congress falling apart as it is. If the Germans left it would be weakened considerably. Why would they risk losing any influence they may have with Austria?

If the Ottomans use those troops to attack Hungary once they're let in, France is to busy to help Austria, and the Habsburgs know this. Remember, the Ottomans have no interest in what happens to Germany as long as they have something to gain.

 

[Jammy]

And thus Britain joins the war, methinks time to kick frenchie butt (in the TL anyway)

Whats the Scandinavan countries doing at the minute?
Denmarks - looking after the north for Germany, what about the others?

Anything happening in North Africa?
Move on the spanish etc

Whats happening in the colonies?
Will they be able to send any help or what?

Good installment again Fletcher

 

[M.Passit]

Well, it make sense that France have to reject the offer. They can't appear weak by this time. It's seem to me that France will getting weaker and weaker internally, and it will be a matter of time that there will be a power shift in the Congress or the collpase of it.

 

[Jammy]

Wasn't the name Fitzpatrick a name used by one of the loyal coutiers to the stewarts i vaugely remember something like that anyway, just thought i'd throw that in lol

 

[Jammy]

Another good installment, can't see anything that needs questioning except do we get to see the Earl of Kildaire again?

 

[Jammy]

Arh, good got the feeling he's quite a character , a french sponsered Earl of Kildaire led rebellion then?

 

[M.Passit]

Oh my! Another bloodbath episode in Ireland?

 

[M.Passit]

A king? A king? The traitor want to be a king!? Irish people, wake up and ran those treacherous maniac tyrany to the cliff of the Emerald Isle

I have a feeling that those Jacobite might turn against the French. Their rightful king is already back on the rightful throne(as a protestant one of course)

 

[Jammy]

Have to say think M.Passit could be right, their king is on the throne

 

[Jammy]

That is a good point

 

[Jammy]

Wouldn't the Austrain out guards/ lookouts notice the germans?

 

[Jammy]

Arh, well good for the germans, now what about that little problem of the battle against france

 

[Jammy]

Nice up date;
1) This new king sounds a bit of a git.

2) "He also promised to destroy Protestants and Jews" - are we going to see an exodus of Protestants and Jews to england then? Ggermany looking like it might be crushed.
- Also would this boost the merchants and therefore the wealth of england
- If they did come would many go to the colonies? Far out of Louis XVI reach?

3)Kildare, surely not the end we've seen off him, prehaps disgusted by Louis XVI he turns spy lol

4) "Louis then sent a message to London, threatening them with war, unless they accepted the French right of search near the German and Danish coast." I see a war comming

 

[M.Passit]

Hey nice pics.

Ahhh, France could slowly go apart now, as did Congress. I think it's time for the British to do some PR Coup, if they do an early Catholic Emancipation(can be limited though) and given some amnesty, Kildare could have a hard time finding supporters. Also, you can set a fine reward for his head if you want.

 

[Jammy]

Agree with Passit over a british PR coup about now.
Just to clarify it's James on the throne now? yes?

1) If Britain are at war with the Spanish will anything happen in the colonies? soory about constant colonies interest, its a a kind of pet interest.
2)Who owns gibralter at the minute? could be of strategic importance.

Any chance of a map update?