20th Century Khan - A Timeline!

The one problem with this timeline is that the leaders of Soviet Russia seem monumentally stupid. Considering the size of their population/army/industry compared to Sternberg's Khanate, it would be a stunning lack of foresight for them to ignore him or allow him to continue unmolested.

Secondly, I find it hard that Stalin would not find out about the Bloody Baron's attempts to overthrow him. This is severely underestimating the NVKD, and their abilities.

Remember how Stalin ignored all the reports of the impending German attack in 1941? Well I'm relying on that same stubbornness for this one. Stalin thought the kulaks were causing all the trouble, all the OMB had to do was admit to being kulak agents to avoid suspicion. Also, supplies are sent in through China instead of from the Khanate. In 1933 OTL, about a million Kazakhs fled the USSR into China so that means the Chinese border wasn't the best guarded one.

I like to see some feedback from the Russian members about this.

Thirdly, can I have a map?
I'm working on that.
 
Thirdly, can I have a map?

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Here you go! :) The Red part is Sternbergia.
 
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Revolt and Invasion

1932(Cont.) – The supply lines of guns, bombs and grain had been flowing into the southern SSR’s for days now. The order for the OMB to initiate the revolt came on the 5th of November, 1932. Armed peasants, most of whom were paid in grain from the Baron’s farms, stormed rural village and town centers, overpowering the lightly armed commissars and secret police. Soon, the cities were besieged by peasant militias where they were soon joined by urban militias, also paid in foreign grain. The Red Army was deployed first from bases within the Ukraine and Central Asia, then, were followed by reinforcements from elsewhere. OMB saboteurs did everything they could to hinder and slow down the Red Army’s mobilization by destroying bridges, mining roads and committing arson on a vast scale, continuing their practice of burning down forests and farms. The peasant attacks were mostly ill-prepared and badly planned but still succeeded in some places.

The revolt in major cities like Kiev, Odessa, Kharkhov, Astrakhan, Astana and Baku were put down immediately but massive street fighting and looting ensued. In some small cities however like Tselinograd, Voroshilovgrad, Dushanbe and Leninabad, the mob succeeds in taking over. In the next few days, the tide in some major cities had turned as Kharkhov, Odessa, Poltava and Astrakhan fell to rebel forces. By this time, Stalin had declared a state of marshal law in the southern SSR’s but the whole revolt was downplayed by Soviet propaganda. Fighting between rebel forces and the Red Army continued until several cities like Odessa and Astana were reclaimed by the Red Army on the 11th but these cities were still inhabited by armed hostile populations who had to be subjugated. Also, much of Kiev’s inner city was damaged extensively by a large fire, one that could have been started by either the mob or the OMB. Similar fires had spread across the other cities embroiled in the revolt. Two major turning points in the revolt happened on the 13th and 14th when soldiers of the Red Army joined rebel forces in Kirovograd. These soldiers were soon joined by their comrades-in-arms in the nearby cites of Donelsk and Zaporozhye. The next turning point happened aboard the Battleship Dzherzhinsky which was called to service in Baku, a city that had just fallen to rebel forces. Upon reaching Baku harbor, the Red Navy officers had mutinied throwing their captain overboard. The Dzerzhinksy then took part in the revolt by providing naval shelling, something which it was supposed to do to squash the revolt. A similar incident occurred with two ships, the Poltova and the Lenina in the Crimea.

The Baron’s armies along with the armies of Japan and Poland invaded on November 19, when the revolt was in the last throws of major armed resistance. Operation Mahakala started out in the East when the Baron’s tank divisions along with Japanese ones crossed the frontier into Soviet territory. The towns of Novosibirsk and Tomsk fell immediately. The small chunks of Taymyrsky and Yakutia belonging to the Soviets also fell without a fight. The first major battle took place in Omsk where the Baron’s tanks battled the Red cavalry, still on horseback. Omsk fell on the 22nd as the Baron met up with rebel forces from Kazakhstan’s northern most towns. The newly supplied and replenished rebel armies marched south to Dzezhkhazgan, where the Red Army was defeated the next day, as the Baron’s armies marched toward Tyumen and Kurgan. Also, the Japanese Air Force, repeating tactics from the Manchurian war flew into the USSR and annihilated the barely existent and obsolete Soviet Air Force and started a grand bombing campaign that supported both the invading land forces in western Siberia and the rebel forces in Central Asia. Soon, all of Central Asia except a few coastal cities fell to the rebels, all other cities that remained in Soviet hands were bombed into submission by the effective Japanese bombing campaign. The Red Army POW’s were either imprisoned or recruited to fight their former government in the newly created Russian Liberation Army. Sepailoff and Prince Daichin, who commanded tank divisions in the westernmost parts of Siberia, succeeded in crossing into Archangelsk beginning a battle on the 26th.

In the west, Polish forces crossed a day after the war began in the east, creating two fronts, the Northern and Southern fronts. The Southern Front was characterized by initial success in battles in near Zhytomir and Vinnitsa, resulting in the Polish capture of those cities by the 24th. However, the Polish still had to consolidate those gains by winning a battle in Berdychov which lied in between. They did this by the 26th and soon moved on into Cherkasy and Yelisavetgrad were they were assisted heavily by the rebels. After these victories, Polish forces encircled Kiev which was already being besieged inside by the rebel mob. Kiev fell after a week. Kharkhov followed suit by the beginning the 4th of December. The Ukrainians had greeted the Poles as liberators, a sentiment which would be exploited with the creation of the Ukrainian Liberation Army, a puppet Ukrainian Army similar to its Russian counterpart. Ukrainians joined the Army with pride as they went to battle in the Northern Front. This front told a different story. Where in the South, it was success after success; the Northern Front began with the epic, bloody Siege of Minsk. The first phase of the siege saw Polish artillery and bombers pound Minks to the ground. The second phase saw bloody urban warfare that eventually led to Soviet defeat on the 7th of December. The Polish Armies of the Northern and Southern fronts along with the ULA joined together in Novgorod, where the Soviet enemy was encircled and annihilated, and headed toward Stalingrad.

In Moscow, Stalin, in a paranoid frenzy, arrested Kamenev, Zinoviev, Rykov, Bukharin and all of his remaining political rivals under accusations of being part of an internal Polish-Japanese sponsored Anti-Party Terrorist Center. He summoned all of his marshals to a meeting where they convened to discuss a possible defense strategy using what was left of the Red Army. As the marshals talked amongst themselves and made busy with a large map on the table, Stalin disrupted them with the words “We inherited Lenin's legacy and we fucked it up”. 1932 was coming to a close and as shown by the progress of the invasion, so too was Soviet history.
 
Revolution's End

1933 – The year began with the fall of Archangelsk and Stalingrad and the march toward Moscow. After the fall of Stalingrad, Polish armies split with one group heading toward the capital and the other heading south, toward the Caucuses. In the east, the northern armies of Sepailoff and the Baron’s forces from further south met up in the city of Kirov and started heading toward Gorky. At this point, the numbers of the RLA were growing steadily with the capture of every city, reaching about 30,000 in the Battle of Gorky. The Polish Southern Army met up with Japanese and Rebel Peasant forces in the Caucuses where the fall of Rostov and the invasion of Stalin’s native Georgia destroyed Soviet oil supply lines, demobilizing the Red Army. Although, the invading armies found that the Soviets had blown up their own oil wells to save it from being in their hands. Tbilisi and Yerevan soon fell but Baku was heavily protected by the Red Navy and had to be bombarded from the air by a joint Japanese-Polish bombing campaign. The Baron captured Vornonezh on the 9th of January, destroying the last trail of Red Army reinforcements into Central Asia. Polish forces attacked Moscow on the 13th and were soon reinforced by the Baron’s armies which included the now 40,000 strong RLA. Japanese bombers, from newly acquired bases in Central Asia flew with their Polish counterparts to bomb the Soviet capital. It was the 48th Polish bomber squadron that destroyed Stalin’s armored train on its way out of Moscow to Murmansk, killing the dictator and his entourage, leaving the Soviet Union leaderless.

Moscow fell on the 21st and the Soviet Union signed its surrender under Marshall Timoshenko on the 25th. Poland occupied the Ukraine, Belarus, the westernmost part of Russia including the eastern Russian Caucuses, Georgia and Armenia. Japan occupied Central Asia, Azerbaijan, southwestern Russia including a portion of the Russian Caucuses while the Baron’s forces occupied the rest of Russia, everything west of Moscow, including the city of Voronezh. The fate of Russia was decided by the victors in the Moscow Conference. Moscow was divided into three zones, a Polish one, a Japanese one and one that belonged to the Baron.
 
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Vault-Scope

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Don´t think they could advance all the way to Moscow, even less win a total victory over bolchevik forces/traitors within the red army and governement).
Most likely, Poland would control the Caucase-Ukraine-Belarus regions while Sternegia and its Japanes allie controls central asia & Siberia, leaving a rump socialist state (or military junta).

In OTL, in face of Japanes attack, chines strategy was to retreat westward and from there keep on fighting. In this case, attacks from the west and north would cause an even greater Chines collapse.
Within a few years (How is called the Sternbergia-Japanes alliance?), complete victory over China could well be achieved, as Chines state was extremely weake.
 
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Don´t think they could advance all the way to Moscow, even less win a total victory over bolchevik forces/traitors within the red army and governement).
Most likely, Poland would control the Caucase-Ukraine-Belarus regions while Sternegia and its Japanes allie controls central asia & Siberia, leaving a rump socialist state (or military junta).

During this time (early 30's), the Soviet Union was just starting to industrialize heavily. This process resulted in the modern, mechanized Red Army of WW2. With the invasion happening just at the beginning of the industrialization, Soviet Russia had a pretty good chance of loosing esp. with the internal rebellion in the Ukraine and the invasion coming from both sides.

In OTL, in face of Japanes attack, chines strategy was to retreat westward and from there keep on fighting. In this case, attacks from the west and north would cause an even greater Chines collapse.
Within a few years (How is called the Sternbergia-Japanes alliance?), complete victory over China could well be achieved, as Chines state was extremely weake.

That's what I'm planning. ;)
 
Just a thought,but could we also see a move by Finland toward Murmansk or Leningrad following the collapse of the Soviet regime? I mean no Red army left,and the Polish forces are busy to the West and South. The Baron could object I suppose. Anyway great TL I'm looking forward to the next segment.
 

Vault-Scope

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During this time (early 30's), the Soviet Union was just starting to industrialize heavily. This process resulted in the modern, mechanized Red Army of WW2. With the invasion happening just at the beginning of the industrialization, Soviet Russia had a pretty good chance of loosing esp. with the internal rebellion in the Ukraine and the invasion coming from both sides.

Problem is that they would raise militas in other regions, Poland wasnt much industrialised either and would be outnumbered. In 32´ except for the revolting regions, bolcheviks where still in a better position than during the red/white war.
Hovewer, sovietic governement and army at that time was still filled with opportunistes which would side with whoever they believe is the strongest. A decisive defeat at the time could would see the overthrow of stalin and unity of soviet-governement would rapidly go downhill from there.

Anywhay, if later Poland faces war with Germany(or if some incidents with Czechoslovakia goes wrong), The Baron could increase his influence over former soviet territories even more.


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That's what I'm planning. ;)


Yipee! :cool:
 
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Just a thought,but could we also see a move by Finland toward Murmansk or Leningrad following the collapse of the Soviet regime? I mean no Red army left,and the Polish forces are busy to the West and South. The Baron could object I suppose. Anyway great TL I'm looking forward to the next segment.

Yeah, I might add the Finns and if I do, some credit goes to you ("some" because I already thought of it but aborted the idea for some reason). But still, thanks for making me think about it again! :)

Problem is that they would raise militas in other regions, Poland wasnt much industrialised either and would be outnumbered. In 32´ except for the revolting regions, bolcheviks where still in a better position than during the red/white war.
Hovewer, sovietic governement and army at that time was still filled with opportunistes which would side with whoever they believe is the strongest. A decisive defeat at the time could would see the overthrow of stalin and unity of soviet-governement would rapidly go downhill from there.



Yipee! :cool:

That's why they did it with the help of a lot of puppet armies like the RLA and ULA although I do recognize something wrong with this. They invaded in Winter. The Baron's forces and the Japanese wouldn't have any problem with this as they invaded through Western Siberia, which is just as cold as the rest of Russia, so they would have proper Winter gear and Winter-time fighting methods (the Baron has ITTL what in OTL were Stalin's infamous Siberian reinforcements) but the Poles, even if they did bring Winter gear would probably still have some problem with the cold. I'm just gonna fix this in future revised versions of the TL.
 
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Vault-Scope

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In OTL, Finnish governement planned to eventually seize and annexe Muramsk & Arkangelsk, before the start of the winter war.

There is also the Cossack question, as military cast of the tsarist era, they faced repression by the bolchevik governement.
After the war, a policy of Decossackization (Raskazachivaniye) took place on the surviving Cossacks and their homelands. This mostly involved dividing their territory amongst other divisions and giving it to new autonomous republics of minorities, and then actively encouraging settlement of these territories with those peoples.
It was only in 1936 that Cossack forces where reintroduced in the red army.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossacks
Cossack involvement could well make anti-bolchevik revolts more sucessfull and less fragile.


During spring also, roads becomes muddy, making rapid advances difficult. Even Hitler planned to start his offensive in May because of that.
Red army was at the time twice the size of the polish army, at least 2/3rd of it in european region of the soviet-union.
Even with severe defeats, major rebellions and need to send force east, the remainders of it would make Polish advance toward Moscow extremely difficult.
One solution is heavy weaponery, but transport of such would be slow.

So basically, the war would be at least several months longer, perhapse even half a year before last fightings stops.


An another aspect of this is Reza Khan, Shah of Iran. He would likely side with Japan and Sternbergia against eventual British imperialism, after the war against the soviet-union.
 
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In OTL, Finnish governement planned to eventually seize and annexe Muramsk & Arkangelsk, before the start of the winter war.

During spring also, roads becomes muddy, making rapid advances difficult. Even Hitler planned to start his offensive in May because of that.
Red army was at the time twice the size of the polish army, at least 2/3rd of it in european region of the soviet-union.
Even with severe defeats, major rebellions and need to send force east, the remainders of it would make Polish advance toward Moscow extremely difficult.
One solution is heavy weaponery, but transport of such would be slow.

So basically, the war would be at least several months longer, perhapse even half a year before last fightings stops.

Okay, so what I'm gonna do is; I'm gonna add the Finns, so that's three fronts and probably move the war to Summer of '33. That plus the puppet armies and air superiority make the war a lot winnable. Also, what do you mean by heavy weaponry? And what other factors could make for an easier Soviet defeat.
 

Vault-Scope

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Okay, so what I'm gonna do is; I'm gonna add the Finns, so that's three fronts and probably move the war to Summer of '33. That plus the puppet armies and air superiority make the war a lot winnable. Also, what do you mean by heavy weaponry? And what other factors could make for an easier Soviet defeat.


Heavy artillery. Japanes have tanks, but these are rather slow in the early 30s.

Cossack insurrection of course. They would be far more sucessfull in causíng troubles to the bolcheviks than the average peasant.
 
Heavy artillery. Japanes have tanks, but these are rather slow in the early 30s.

Cossack insurrection of course. They would be far more sucessfull in causíng troubles to the bolcheviks than the average peasant.

Okay, Cossack insurrection - check, but how do you think the Cossacks would react once they are forced to abandon their horses and adapt tanks, something they should do as part of modernization policies in the Baron's armies?
 
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Vault-Scope

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Okay, Cossack insurrection - check, but how do you think the Cossacks would react once they are forced to abandon their horses and adapt tanks, something they should do as part of modernization policies in the Baron's armies?

Considering nature of tanks at the time, they might prefer something faster, like armoured cars or motorbikes.
Hovewer, there have been and there still are Cossack armoured armies today.
 
Perhaps Persia sees the way the wind is blowing and takes over the soviet parts of Azerbaijan, and possibly Turkmenistan?

I don't know. Depends on the political situation in Persia at that time, if it could take part in such a war. I'll look it up.


So, how is this going?

I'm gonna write a revision of the Soviet war with it taking place in the summer, the Finns, Cossack rebellion, etc.

Will Cthulu be involved? ;)

If the Baron decides to add him to his esoteric religious ideology, maybe. ;)
 
The Baron could well become rather interested in Himmler´s eosteric beliefs & vise versa, increasing his interest in building a military order for the future.

I don't know how the Baron would interact with Nazi ideology. Early 20th Century Buddhism had some "racialist" elements in it, maybe he could connect with Nazism through this or do the opposite and see the contrast between Hitler's Western-centric world view and his own Eastern-centric one.
 
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