2018 Turtledoves - Best Cold War to Contemporary Timeline Poll FINAL

Which is the best Cold War to Contemporary Timeline:

  • No Southern Strategy: The Political Ramifications of an Alternate 1964 Election; Gonzo and Nofix

    Votes: 123 34.6%
  • New Deal Coalition Retained: A Sixth Party Systen Wikibox Timeline; The Congressman

    Votes: 96 27.0%
  • Blue Skies in Camelot: An Alternate 60's and Beyond; President_Lincoln

    Votes: 72 20.3%
  • TLIAW: Presidential; Callan

    Votes: 100 28.2%
  • Massively Multiplayer : Gaming in the New Millenium; RySenkari and Nivek

    Votes: 63 17.7%
  • The Third Coming of Nixon; Apocatequil

    Votes: 54 15.2%
  • Protect and Survive Miami: End of Watch; wolverinethad

    Votes: 26 7.3%
  • The Way the Wind Blows The Collapse of Western Civilization; Maponus

    Votes: 33 9.3%
  • The World Turned Upside Down: A US Election TL; Seleucus

    Votes: 101 28.5%
  • Lazarus, Icarus, and Canadian Politics: An Infobox Timeline; CanadianTory

    Votes: 81 22.8%
  • Who will speak for England; BrotherSideways

    Votes: 50 14.1%
  • TLIAD: If You Want To Know Where You Are; Uhura's Mazda

    Votes: 53 14.9%
  • I Have Never Been a Quitter: the Impeachment of Richard Nixon; dartingfog

    Votes: 41 11.5%
  • Españoles en Vietnam: Franco's last war; Kurt_Steiner

    Votes: 46 13.0%
  • Prussia - A Kaliningrad Story (Post WWII USSR Timeline); Remitonov

    Votes: 27 7.6%

  • Total voters
    355
  • Poll closed .
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If you don't have anything nice to say...

I beg to differ. If I consider a piece ill-thought out crap and can explain why I think it is ill thought out crap, then I think it appropriate to say so. If no-one were ever to point out flaws in work, the author is never going to improve.

There are different ways of phrasing the criticism, obviously. Harsh criticism can and should be presented in a constructive manner. But if one goes with the phrase you use, then it's just hug-box time and everything is lovely. I would have far rather had something like: "Your depiction of a teenage girl is really unconvincing. She's acting either as though she's far more mature than her years might suggest, or she's acting as a child rather than a teenager" than: "That's really good."

As examples, several people in various places have written elements of stories that go into some detail about infantry combat in modern(ish) wars. The majority of these have been so clearly written by authors who, to put it mildly, haven't got a clue about how people think and act and react in combat (Keynes' Cruisers is an honourable exception to this, and is, in my opinion, brilliantly written). It's a subject area I know a bit about. Should I be silent when people get it glaringly wrong?
 

SsgtC

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I mean I don't know where else we were supposed to discuss the merits of the nominees.
Yeah, but there's a difference between discussing the merits of a timeline, and shitting all over it. Which is what some people were doing to NDCR
 

Redcoat

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Yeah, but there's a difference between discussing the merits of a timeline, and shitting all over it. Which is what some people were doing to NDCR
It's one thing to say that South Africa was treated as ASB but it's another to imply that he supported Apartheid
 
If you don't have anything nice to say...
Yeah, but there's a difference between discussing the merits of a timeline, and shitting all over it. Which is what some people were doing to NDCR
It wasn't so much a discussion as much as it was a berating of opinion.
If you think what was written here is unduly and personally harsh, I hope none of you ever submit anything for publication and get a less than fully positive response; because what was written in this thread is what writing criticism looks like in most places.
 
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If you think what was written here is unduly and personally harsh, I hope neither of you ever submit anything for publication and get a less than fully positive response; because what was written in this thread is what writing criticism looks like in most places.

I have, and have received criticism. the difference however, is that after said criticism is received, a publisher doesn't continuously send me hate mail and demand I change my work to fit their opinions. you've long ago stated your point. I respect his decision to ignore you for the most part.
 
I have, and have received criticism. the difference however, is that after said criticism is received, a publisher doesn't continuously send me hate mail and demand I change my work to fit their opinions. you've long ago stated your point. I respect his decision to ignore you for the most part.
Well if you kept submitting more work of the same quality complete with accusations that your criticism is a collection politically motivated smears, then you would expect to get more criticism back, right?

Also, most of the critics did ignore it for the most part after making a decision on its quality and getting non-answers in response. They came out in force to criticise the TL and say it was unworthy of a Turtledove only at a point where it looked like it was about to win a Turtledove. Because said people think that the Turtledoves matter.
 
Well if you kept submitting more work of the same quality complete with accusations that your criticism is a collection politically motivated smears, then you would expect to get more criticism back, right?

Also, most of the critics did ignore it for the most part after making a decision on its quality and getting non-answers in response. They came out in force to criticise the TL and say it was unworthy of a Turtledove only at a point where it looked like it was about to win a Turtledove. Because said people think that the Turtledoves matter.

At a certain point one realizes that the other party presents total entrenchment and no leeway. I've hit that point.I too, think the turtledoves matter, I run the damn things.

I however, based on your argument, do expect to see you avidly condemn any other work you consider unworthy. prove your point and don't have it just be this one timeline.
 
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