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2001: A Space Time Odyssey (Version 2)
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I know! It's just seeing the plane made me cringe (I'm an aviation enthusiast (full force), so yeah...).Actually the Graphic is Soviet Car Design, not Airplane Design...
next Post is featuring biggest POD and TL drifts away from OTL toward 2001 Space Odyssey
Post 47 part one
Going Nuclear
In 1976 Switzerland conducted it's first nuclear weapons test, becoming only the latest in a long series of nations to go nuclear. This was no surprise however since the Swiss people had voted to develop a nuclear deterrence in a referendum held back in 1962. The test changed the regional power balance drastically as it positioned a non-aligned but nuclear armed Switzerland in a strong military position between the Soviet and American camps. Italy responded by pushing their ALFA ballistic missile program to use with NATO nuclear warheads. France reconsidered their current nuclear deterrence in order to cope with new situation. Yugoslavia's leader Joseph Tito ordered a development program for Nuclear weapons. Neutral Sweden rethought how they conducted their neutrality and decided to restart their Nuclear bomb program. Nicolae Ceausescu, leader of Romania, also ordered a top secret program for developing weapons of mass destruction (despite still being part of the Warsaw Pact).
The Eight Year Presidency of Richard Mulhouse Nixon
In 1976 the Nixon era ended. Domestically, Nixon had been harshly criticised on both sides of the politically spectrum for his failure to deal with the 1973 oil crisis, which the country had still not fully recovered from three years later. As a Republican President, Nixon made several reforms that angered his more conservative opponents.
Nixon's foreign policy doctrine was known for being dovish and focused on cooperation. He pursued a policy of détente with the newly reformist regimes in the Soviet Union and China and largely watched as Communist regimes swept several third-world countries. He normalized relations with the PRC, visited with the new reformist leader Lin Biao and recognised the PRC as the sole legitimate government of China at the UN. He turned VSALT with the USSR into a much more substantial Strategic Weapon Limitation Treaty: SALT I and he manage to ban Biological weapons internationally, limiting them to only to research programs. Both these action resulted in him receiving the Nobel Peace Prize in 1975. He also attended the inaugural meeting of the Group of Seven (G7) and created NOAA and the Environment Protection Agency (EPA).
His biggest and most expensive gamble however had yet to pay off, the NASA Odyssey Program. In the wake of losing the Moon Race, he ordered the largest space program ever conceived, in hopes of ensuring the long-term strategic superiority of the US in space. By 1976 the United States was still largely reliant on the Apollo hardware set developed in the 1960s, but with the Earth to Orbit Shuttles already undergoing glide-flight testing and the next batch of astronauts already for space station and lunar tug missions.
Now after 8 successful years, Nixon was packing his things and moving out of the White House, making way for a new President. By now the Aerospace industry had grown very large off government contracts from Apollo and Odyssey, making it a lobbying force any Presidential candidate would have to reckon with.
…July, Democratic National Convention, New York City…
"SCHWARZ YOU WILL NOT GET A WAY WITH THIS !" Mondale scream angrily at the Chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
"Mr Mondale" he reply with Texan accent, "it's already concluded, you not becoming the President candidate!"
"And who to decided this?" Mondale snarled.
"The Democrats of Texas, California, Louisiana, Ohio, Florida, Washington, Missouri, Georgia, Arkansas, Tennessee, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, they all against you."
He stare in disbelieve on Schwarz who continue: "The space program brings those states millions of dollars, no way they'll accept you as President, neither will this Jimmy Carter…
Mondale smirked "You think you'll get away with this?! I got allies!"
"Your protege Humphrey? Do you have any idea how bad his cancer really is? or Walter Fauntroy and Jessy Jackson? Even they're trying to use the space program now, fact they're campaigning together right now with those new negro astronauts.
And Proxmire? He's finished in Wisconsin now that Rockwell's financing his competition."
Mondale's face went pale, Schwarz continued "allot of people warned you, but you had to pull off that little crusade against NASA and so now you've got the entire aerospace lobby painting you as public enemy number one. Even if you become the party's nominee and face the general, they will break you. I'm sorry but there's just too much money and too many people on the other side for you to pull this off."
"Well then who-who do they want for the Party nominee?" Mondale asked frustratingly with a broken voice to which Schwarz replied "Senator of Ohio, national hero, and the industry's best friend , John Glenn."
"I never thought you bastard would goes so low" Mondale scowled in response, "The party has changed since Ted died" replied Schwarz who then left the hotel room and closed the door behind him.
Mondale looked into his glass of scotch in his hand, then he smash it enrage against the wall.
"This is an NBC news flash
The Democrats have got their Presidential nominee, former Astronaut and current senator John Glenn has been declared the presumptive presidential nominee of the Democratic Party by the DNC following sudden bowing out of his competitors. Senator Glenn went on to announce Morris Udall as his running mate and thank the dedication of his supporters.
Wild speculation remains as to why Walter Mondale and Jimmy Carter step out from election race
…August, Republican National Convention, Kansas City...
John Connally, former secretary of the treasury under Nixon, was nominated as the Republican Party's Presidential candidate with a slight majority, barely edging out against California governor Ronald Reagan. Reagan had led an insurgent populist conservative movement originally spearheaded in the 1960s by Barry Goldwater. During his campaign Reagan promised an end to détente, a more confrontational attitude towards Russia, increased military spending and reduced taxes. However he promised major cuts in the space program which balanced out much of his support for increased military spending in the eyes of the aerospace industry's lobbyists. John Conally by contrast was largely a continuation of the Nixon era status quo.
On November 2 1976 came the moment of truth.
The people of the United States of America voted and chose John Glenn with a small but significant margin over Connally (50.1% vs 48.0%) which translated to an electoral college victory of 297 for Glenn and 240 for Connally. Glenn promised a return to the post-war boom years of the 1950s and 60s while presenting an optimistic vision of the country's future, while John Connally's economic record was weighed down by the 1973 oil crisis and his perception of being aligned with the status quo. Glenn's status as an American hero also didn't hurt his candidacy.
...The Rest of The World
After a quarter century the Vietnam War came to a finally to a close as communist forces overran Saigon in 1969. After Lyndon Johnson's decision not to intervene further in Vietnam for fear of a serious confrontation with the militarist Chinese the South Vietnamese forces found themselves increasingly unable to counter repeated North Vietnamese offensives. Consigned to defeat, the Americans pulled out the approximately 10,000 "military advisors" from the country as well as all diplomatic staff at Saigon's embassy. The news was met with a yawn by the American public as the story made the third-page of most papers. For most it was just another third-world hell hole half-way across the world falling to the communists.
On the other hand the Soviets did not really expect that yet another one of their Warsaw Pact allies would breakaway after Yugoslavia and Albania. The Soviet Union had for sometime actually been re-establishing good relations with Yugoslavia. However Kosygin's foreign policy strategy of allowing greater degrees of political autonomy in the satellites states had actually been met with resistance from some hardline Stalinist rulers who felt their power being challenged. Then came the bombshell discovery that the Romanian leader Nicholae Ceaușescu had ordered programs for development of weapons of mass destruction! The Soviet Politburo was shocked that a Warsaw pact member under their nose could be working in top secret on nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. The response was immediate and swift, a full-scale military invasion by the Red Army under Kosygin's orders. For the first time since Khrushchev's 1954 invasion of Hungary, the Soviet Union invaded a Warsaw pact ally to bring it in line with Moscow. As Soviet tanks countered nationalist forces in the streets loyal to Ceaușescu , he and all his supporters were being purged from the Party. Meanwhile in secret KGB special commandos raided Romanian military and scientific installations, seizing enriched Uranium, Sarin Gas, strains of smallpox, anthrax and bubonic plague.
Ceaușescu had been an annoyance within the Warsaw Pact for sometime. Liberals within the Soviet Communist Party hated his Neo-Stalinist authoritarianism, personality cult and ultra-nationalist stances. Hardliners within the Soviet Communist Party hated his independent foreign policy and excessive indebtedness to the West. However while united in their response, the factions within the Party were not united on what it meant. For many hardliners, an aging Kosygin had allowed a maverick to operate with way too much freedom, proving Kosygin's weak ineffectual leadership and the dangers of too much autonomy within the Warsaw Pact. Kosygin's leadership was now clearly on thin ice. The intervention would mirror later Soviet interventions in Southern Europe to supress nationalism. The intervention also served to strain US-Soviet relations to the greatest point since the 1960s, foreshadowing even greater tensions to come.
Going Nuclear
In 1976 Switzerland conducted it's first nuclear weapons test, becoming only the latest in a long series of nations to go nuclear. This was no surprise however since the Swiss people had voted to develop a nuclear deterrence in a referendum held back in 1962. The test changed the regional power balance drastically as it positioned a non-aligned but nuclear armed Switzerland in a strong military position between the Soviet and American camps. Italy responded by pushing their ALFA ballistic missile program to use with NATO nuclear warheads. France reconsidered their current nuclear deterrence in order to cope with new situation. Yugoslavia's leader Joseph Tito ordered a development program for Nuclear weapons. Neutral Sweden rethought how they conducted their neutrality and decided to restart their Nuclear bomb program. Nicolae Ceausescu, leader of Romania, also ordered a top secret program for developing weapons of mass destruction (despite still being part of the Warsaw Pact).
The Eight Year Presidency of Richard Mulhouse Nixon
In 1976 the Nixon era ended. Domestically, Nixon had been harshly criticised on both sides of the politically spectrum for his failure to deal with the 1973 oil crisis, which the country had still not fully recovered from three years later. As a Republican President, Nixon made several reforms that angered his more conservative opponents.
Nixon's foreign policy doctrine was known for being dovish and focused on cooperation. He pursued a policy of détente with the newly reformist regimes in the Soviet Union and China and largely watched as Communist regimes swept several third-world countries. He normalized relations with the PRC, visited with the new reformist leader Lin Biao and recognised the PRC as the sole legitimate government of China at the UN. He turned VSALT with the USSR into a much more substantial Strategic Weapon Limitation Treaty: SALT I and he manage to ban Biological weapons internationally, limiting them to only to research programs. Both these action resulted in him receiving the Nobel Peace Prize in 1975. He also attended the inaugural meeting of the Group of Seven (G7) and created NOAA and the Environment Protection Agency (EPA).
His biggest and most expensive gamble however had yet to pay off, the NASA Odyssey Program. In the wake of losing the Moon Race, he ordered the largest space program ever conceived, in hopes of ensuring the long-term strategic superiority of the US in space. By 1976 the United States was still largely reliant on the Apollo hardware set developed in the 1960s, but with the Earth to Orbit Shuttles already undergoing glide-flight testing and the next batch of astronauts already for space station and lunar tug missions.
Now after 8 successful years, Nixon was packing his things and moving out of the White House, making way for a new President. By now the Aerospace industry had grown very large off government contracts from Apollo and Odyssey, making it a lobbying force any Presidential candidate would have to reckon with.
…July, Democratic National Convention, New York City…
"SCHWARZ YOU WILL NOT GET A WAY WITH THIS !" Mondale scream angrily at the Chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
"Mr Mondale" he reply with Texan accent, "it's already concluded, you not becoming the President candidate!"
"And who to decided this?" Mondale snarled.
"The Democrats of Texas, California, Louisiana, Ohio, Florida, Washington, Missouri, Georgia, Arkansas, Tennessee, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, they all against you."
He stare in disbelieve on Schwarz who continue: "The space program brings those states millions of dollars, no way they'll accept you as President, neither will this Jimmy Carter…
Mondale smirked "You think you'll get away with this?! I got allies!"
"Your protege Humphrey? Do you have any idea how bad his cancer really is? or Walter Fauntroy and Jessy Jackson? Even they're trying to use the space program now, fact they're campaigning together right now with those new negro astronauts.
And Proxmire? He's finished in Wisconsin now that Rockwell's financing his competition."
Mondale's face went pale, Schwarz continued "allot of people warned you, but you had to pull off that little crusade against NASA and so now you've got the entire aerospace lobby painting you as public enemy number one. Even if you become the party's nominee and face the general, they will break you. I'm sorry but there's just too much money and too many people on the other side for you to pull this off."
"Well then who-who do they want for the Party nominee?" Mondale asked frustratingly with a broken voice to which Schwarz replied "Senator of Ohio, national hero, and the industry's best friend , John Glenn."
"I never thought you bastard would goes so low" Mondale scowled in response, "The party has changed since Ted died" replied Schwarz who then left the hotel room and closed the door behind him.
Mondale looked into his glass of scotch in his hand, then he smash it enrage against the wall.
"This is an NBC news flash
The Democrats have got their Presidential nominee, former Astronaut and current senator John Glenn has been declared the presumptive presidential nominee of the Democratic Party by the DNC following sudden bowing out of his competitors. Senator Glenn went on to announce Morris Udall as his running mate and thank the dedication of his supporters.
Wild speculation remains as to why Walter Mondale and Jimmy Carter step out from election race
…August, Republican National Convention, Kansas City...
John Connally, former secretary of the treasury under Nixon, was nominated as the Republican Party's Presidential candidate with a slight majority, barely edging out against California governor Ronald Reagan. Reagan had led an insurgent populist conservative movement originally spearheaded in the 1960s by Barry Goldwater. During his campaign Reagan promised an end to détente, a more confrontational attitude towards Russia, increased military spending and reduced taxes. However he promised major cuts in the space program which balanced out much of his support for increased military spending in the eyes of the aerospace industry's lobbyists. John Conally by contrast was largely a continuation of the Nixon era status quo.
On November 2 1976 came the moment of truth.
The people of the United States of America voted and chose John Glenn with a small but significant margin over Connally (50.1% vs 48.0%) which translated to an electoral college victory of 297 for Glenn and 240 for Connally. Glenn promised a return to the post-war boom years of the 1950s and 60s while presenting an optimistic vision of the country's future, while John Connally's economic record was weighed down by the 1973 oil crisis and his perception of being aligned with the status quo. Glenn's status as an American hero also didn't hurt his candidacy.
...The Rest of The World
After a quarter century the Vietnam War came to a finally to a close as communist forces overran Saigon in 1969. After Lyndon Johnson's decision not to intervene further in Vietnam for fear of a serious confrontation with the militarist Chinese the South Vietnamese forces found themselves increasingly unable to counter repeated North Vietnamese offensives. Consigned to defeat, the Americans pulled out the approximately 10,000 "military advisors" from the country as well as all diplomatic staff at Saigon's embassy. The news was met with a yawn by the American public as the story made the third-page of most papers. For most it was just another third-world hell hole half-way across the world falling to the communists.
On the other hand the Soviets did not really expect that yet another one of their Warsaw Pact allies would breakaway after Yugoslavia and Albania. The Soviet Union had for sometime actually been re-establishing good relations with Yugoslavia. However Kosygin's foreign policy strategy of allowing greater degrees of political autonomy in the satellites states had actually been met with resistance from some hardline Stalinist rulers who felt their power being challenged. Then came the bombshell discovery that the Romanian leader Nicholae Ceaușescu had ordered programs for development of weapons of mass destruction! The Soviet Politburo was shocked that a Warsaw pact member under their nose could be working in top secret on nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. The response was immediate and swift, a full-scale military invasion by the Red Army under Kosygin's orders. For the first time since Khrushchev's 1954 invasion of Hungary, the Soviet Union invaded a Warsaw pact ally to bring it in line with Moscow. As Soviet tanks countered nationalist forces in the streets loyal to Ceaușescu , he and all his supporters were being purged from the Party. Meanwhile in secret KGB special commandos raided Romanian military and scientific installations, seizing enriched Uranium, Sarin Gas, strains of smallpox, anthrax and bubonic plague.
Ceaușescu had been an annoyance within the Warsaw Pact for sometime. Liberals within the Soviet Communist Party hated his Neo-Stalinist authoritarianism, personality cult and ultra-nationalist stances. Hardliners within the Soviet Communist Party hated his independent foreign policy and excessive indebtedness to the West. However while united in their response, the factions within the Party were not united on what it meant. For many hardliners, an aging Kosygin had allowed a maverick to operate with way too much freedom, proving Kosygin's weak ineffectual leadership and the dangers of too much autonomy within the Warsaw Pact. Kosygin's leadership was now clearly on thin ice. The intervention would mirror later Soviet interventions in Southern Europe to supress nationalism. The intervention also served to strain US-Soviet relations to the greatest point since the 1960s, foreshadowing even greater tensions to come.
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On one hand, it's GREAT to see an astronaut becoming a president, and great to see demantling the space program becoming political suicide.
On the other hand, WMD programs seem to be popping up like mushrooms, and that last line sounds like the USSR is going to fuck up badly!
Eh, at least Loony Nicky's megalomania is brought in line.
On the other hand, WMD programs seem to be popping up like mushrooms, and that last line sounds like the USSR is going to fuck up badly!
Eh, at least Loony Nicky's megalomania is brought in line.
On one hand, it's GREAT to see an astronaut becoming a president, and great to see demantling the space program becoming political suicide.
On the other hand, WMD programs seem to be popping up like mushrooms, and that last line sounds like the USSR is going to fuck up badly!
Eh, at least Loony Nicky's megalomania is brought in line.
Yes, The US aerospace Industry learn from lesson of Apollo program and Odyssey program bring far more money as former program
here risen a on-holy alliance of aerospace Industry and politician from US States involve in Space program
That people who are against the Space Program "get under the wheels" is logical
On WMD programs
That Switzerland goes nuclear is logical step, after events of 1961 in this TL:
Brezhnev dead resulting almost in War between France and USSR, follow by The Bay of Pigs invasion and finally the Berlin Wall crisis.
During this year the world face TWICE Nuclear War !
So is logical That concerned Swiss voted for nuclear deterrence in a referendum in 1962.
But that open the box of Pandora from 1976 on, Italy, Sweden, Yugoslavia and Romania follow and others ogle with Atomic bomb
The 1980s will face more states with nuclear weapons and USA and USSR has find a solution for that.
On Romania, Ceaușescu really order a WMD Programs in 1970s, here is far dangerous state als OTL that USSR are forced to intervene...
And in Yellow and Green suits
small Spoiler: Fact is similar suits will NASA use in 1980s in this TL
A_H_nikky
Banned
So is the ultimate plan to take us to 2001,2010,2069,3001 and beyond ?And in Yellow and Green suits
small Spoiler: Fact is similar suits will NASA use in 1980s in this TL
it can be that is is a test or Training Suit. they are Traditional Blue
While Flight Suits are White or Signal Orange.
Original planned to year 2001, but that's Planning and stuff like that can change...
Some new Pictures
The Garrett AiResearch EX-1A Space Suit
The left Picture show the Suit without and right with cover garments
It featured higher operational Air pressure of 5 psi compared to 3.7 psi of the older A7LB spacesuit
EX-A1 was far more mobile for the Human body than the Apollo A7LB suits were capable off.
It feature also new entry system, abandoned the back Zipper by a two piece suit with mid entry, so the astronaut can put itself on.
The E-1A replace the A7LB suits from Apollo 20 on and will serve US astronauts into 1980s
The Garrett AiResearch EX-1A Space Suit
The left Picture show the Suit without and right with cover garments
It featured higher operational Air pressure of 5 psi compared to 3.7 psi of the older A7LB spacesuit
EX-A1 was far more mobile for the Human body than the Apollo A7LB suits were capable off.
It feature also new entry system, abandoned the back Zipper by a two piece suit with mid entry, so the astronaut can put itself on.
The E-1A replace the A7LB suits from Apollo 20 on and will serve US astronauts into 1980s
Well, no extraterrestrials to stalk this timeline but if those astronauts find a stone column that too geometrically perfect in its shape and dimensions in outer space. Then run for the hills, lest this column decides to use you as star child emissary.
Well, no extraterrestrials to stalk this timeline but if those astronauts find a stone column that too geometrically perfect in its shape and dimensions in outer space. Then run for the hills, lest this column decides to use you as star child emissary.
Well we planed with the idea for First Version of ASTO, way back in 2014, but in that time, the Forum Moderator move TL with aliens into ABS section of this forum.
2014 ? mean we work since 3 years on 2001: A Space-odyssey !
for more info please check our Wiki page
https://www.alternatehistory.com/wiki/doku.php?id=timelines:2001_a_space-time_odyssey
A_H_nikky
Banned
ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS - EXCEPT EUROPA.
ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nasa-report-sheds-light-europa-074036487.html
Ok who didn't get the memo
ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nasa-report-sheds-light-europa-074036487.html
Ok who didn't get the memo
yes allot, i wait on SpaceGeek who edit my high tech gabbled into understandable English...
Hello guys
Current status:
My Co Author SpaceGeek is to busy at University
My self also working for on Deadline end of month May
i will only every now and then post in this form
from June on i hope we can post updates
Current status:
My Co Author SpaceGeek is to busy at University
My self also working for on Deadline end of month May
i will only every now and then post in this form
from June on i hope we can post updates