19th Century Alternate Ideologies?

Rhand

Banned
So in OTL, we had Marxist socialism arise as the main challenge to conservative and liberal capitalist ideologies. But do you think that there could have been different ideologies that arose? Or perhaps socialism could have looked different than it did in OTL? What do you think?
 
Christian Socialism is the big one that jumps out to me. It was actually a relatively prominent ideology in the first half of the 19th Century in the United States (possibly also Europe, I simply don't know about that). Most of the utopian experiments that occured at that time had some sort of Christian Socialist ideological basis. However, it was overtaken by Communism and what we think of as Socialism later in the century. Seems to me that you could get lots of interesting things with that ideology. Like some sort of theocratic communism, which would be fascinating to see.
 
As an anarchist, anarchism. Back then they took out a lot of leaders. People were frightened of the ideology as much as socialism and confused them, but anarchism is individual oriented, rather than collective oriented.

Luddites. Smash the machines that take your job.

If no Napoleon, maybe the Cult of Reason or some leftover French Revolution ideology survives to cause more revolts.
 

trurle

Banned
As an anarchist, anarchism. Back then they took out a lot of leaders. People were frightened of the ideology as much as socialism and confused them, but anarchism is individual oriented, rather than collective oriented.

Luddites. Smash the machines that take your job.

If no Napoleon, maybe the Cult of Reason or some leftover French Revolution ideology survives to cause more revolts.

Anarchist and luddites societies are going to be absolutely failing to compete with the normal societies. Same for Christian socialism. Nowadays, it go down for Amish lifesyle.

Basically, people in 19th century have ridiculed a religion much, and for good reasons. Got Christian Socialists winning a mind of leading countries, and the WWII will be won by Swiss;)

To produce an alternative ideology the cravings of people must change. Socialism victory in Russia was brought by envy (or speaking positively, a craving for justice). Anarchism may be brought by the craving of safety (in the case, for example, the oppression by World British Empire). The Christian Socialism combine both safety and envy appeasement..so it may win if conditions are just right. Nihilism can win if opium will be not marginalized in world during 19th century. :eek:
How about POD (point of divergence) with Wilkie Collins getting some opium-resistance by the chance genetic mutation, so he become the proponent and a popularizer of opium with larger impact than it was in OTL? We will be living in Commonwealth of Transcendent Drug Users now.:eek: Hippies 50 years ahead of schedule and dominating the world.:rolleyes:
 
I believe that their is enough ideological rigidity and potential state support amongst some of the more monarchical regimes for a return to enlightened absolutism aka Erik Von Keuhnelt-Leddihn's ideas.

Whilst much of his ideas were aimed towards a critique of the democratic/populist tradition as giving rise to the Nazis, I think there is enough there that a POD getting his work out earlier could have been the birth of an alternate liberal trend. If it survives long enough for communism/fascism to be around, an ideological alliance between liberal-enlightened monarchical countries and liberal democracy could cause said ideology to be propped up longer than its natural lifespan.
 
As an anarchist, anarchism. Back then they took out a lot of leaders. People were frightened of the ideology as much as socialism and confused them, but anarchism is individual oriented, rather than collective oriented.

I don't think there was any confusion since many early anarchists were also vocal socialists, just look at Bakunin, Kropotkin, Proudhon and others.

As for the OP, there could have been an earlier and more widespread trend towards corporatism and for one reason or another even fewer government actions against it. Christian socialism mentioned earlier would also be interesting.
 

Orsino

Banned
Some bright administrator sparks off an earlier and more successful version of the social credit movement by applying rationalising Napoleonic principles to the the question of production and consumption?
 
Oh, and of course we can't forget the weird ideologies of Thande's Look To The West. That story realigned the whole modern political system towards identity instead of economics because of, among other things, an alternate French Revolution. Basically, socialism and its whole foundation are butterflied away completely.

Of course, that's a tale with an alternate late 18th century, so I'm not sure if that quite fits.
 
So in OTL, we had Marxist socialism arise as the main challenge to conservative and liberal capitalist ideologies. But do you think that there could have been different ideologies that arose? Or perhaps socialism could have looked different than it did in OTL? What do you think?

Power between Marxism and Anarchism could be balanced differently. OTL, Marxism was the dominant communist ideology and is associated with communism and socialism until today.

A more anarchist world could be interesting, where authoritarian, marxist communists form a minority compared to libertarian communists.
 
Rexism seems pretty cool. Think about a clash between democratic republics vs reactionary monarchies. It could be possible if WWI doesn't kill off all the empires though.
 
So in OTL, we had Marxist socialism arise as the main challenge to conservative and liberal capitalist ideologies. But do you think that there could have been different ideologies that arose? Or perhaps socialism could have looked different than it did in OTL? What do you think?

An ideology, that is based on romanticized nostalgia for medival feudalism and estates of the realm .
 
Catonism:
Barrington Moore defines Catonism in his book Social Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy as "advocacy of the sterner virtues, militarism, contempt for 'decadent' foreigners and anti-intellectualism".[1] Moore coined the word "Catonism" with a nod towards Cato the Elder (234-149 BCE).[2] He characterized the Catonist attitude as the reaction from rural aristocracy towards rapid political and economic changes:
...The function of Catonism is too obvious to require more than brief comment. It justifies a repressive social order that buttresses the position of those in power. It denies the existence of actual changes that have hurt the peasants. It denies the need for further social changes, especially revolutionary ones. Perhaps Catonism may also relieve the conscience of those most responsible for the damage - after all, military expansion destroyed the Roman peasantry.
Modern versions of Catonism arise too out of the adoption by the landed upper classes of repressive and exploitative methods in response to the increasing intrusion of market relationships into an agrarian economy...[1]
It would also be opposed to centralising monarchy, otherwise it could be a form of Junkerism.

In opposition to National Liberalism; a strongly 'progressive' policy of capitalism, industrialism, social welfare, urbanisation, and 'rationalisation' of agriculture. Roughly what you'd find in the Britain of "The Difference Engine".
 
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