Well one thing for sure the soviet union is to quote the Cuban missile war TL(one of my favourites): We're gonna keep going until the rubble is rubble.
 
yeah there nowhere near enough time for NATO to really and counter attack the Soviets are gonna on the Rhine by day 20 tops which oh look at that 24h before the nukes go off
 
Test. So, looking back at this timeline, I have a very special announcement: I am going to resume work on this world, after life decided to drag me down. So, wish me luck!
 
Chapter 2: Escalation

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*clears throat*

Audio Log 3
November 9, 1973

Well, turns out it's time to give the latest update on the situation. North Korea has practically decided to invade South Korea (again), while Soviet forces have been deployed to assist KPA forces in wiping them from the map. Japan wasn't too happy about it, though, so they authorised use of our bases in Japan against key Soviet positions in East Asia. Then they asked the Cubans to try and knock us out. We took control of the island around 11:47 AM Eastern Standard Time yesterday. At least the Castros won't be a problem anymore.

In Europe, it turns out that West Germany hasn't been going very well for us or our allies, especially in the Northern German Plains. However, they are getting dragged into a meat grinder along the Fulda Gap and the commies are getting dragged into a stalemate in Norway. Operation: REFORGER has been activated to slow down the commies before they get to the Rhine. However, I think I have an idea. The Greeks and the Turks could help on this one, although the Greeks have their own problems with Bulgaria and the Russians are trying to help Syria through an invasion of Turkey and Iran respectively. I may have to report on that when I return to the Situation Room. Speaking of Syria, the Iraqis at this point have decided to join the commies against us. Oh well. At least our forces there can get some extra target practice.

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Заметка от 11-го ноября 1973 года (Russian transliteration: Zametka ot 11-go noyabrya 1973 goda; English Translation: Note of 11th of November of 1973)

Turns out Операция "Красная гроза" (Russian Transliteration: Operatsiya "Krasnaya groza" ; Translation: Operation: Red Thunderstorm) has been a huge success thus far, and I am proud of our Soviet Motherland. We are making progress in Germany, and Norway to a certain extent, but we may have some issues elsewhere. These problems are the stalemate in Turkey and Greece, and then....Kim Il-Sung. We were able to send troops to assist our North Korean brothers in arms, but the advance has been slower than expected. As the for the Balkans, are the Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians THAT incompetent! If so, then it turns out I may have to divert some units from Germany to the Balkans. I will now assess the current situation with Defence Minister Grechko and Marshal Yakubovsky to further plan out this conflict. I can only hope this will be a quick one.

Конец заметка (Russian Transliteration: Konets zametka; Translation: End of Note)

Signed,
Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev

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19th of April of 1991
18 Years after WWIII
Washington, New Republic of Carolina
10:56 hours local time

....How bad was the seasickness?

Onboard the USS America? It wasn't exactly THAT bad, but I noticed that it was pretty serious for some of the crew and new pilots. Especially since this would be the first time we were actually set into action against the commies. They weren't much of a problem then, though. I was actually supposed to be assigned to the Bodø Main Air Station before we arrived. I have to admit, though not severe, I did get seasick myself.

How long were you out at sea?

We were out in the Atlantic since the 3rd, when we had reports of increasing Soviet mobilisation in Europe. But it wasn't until the 15th that we actually reached Norway, though by then, shit already started hit the fan. But first, we had to get past the Soviet submarines crawling everywhere along the GIUK Gap.

So, what happened there?

Well, as I was supposed to be flying around in an F-106 Delta Dart. We had already sunk a couple of subs on our run on the 11th, but four Soviet Blinder-Cs were detected on radar when we started to make it through the gap and past all those Commies underwater. I got the order to take off, and boarded the plane, along with the rest of my squadron, supported by at least two F-4 Phantom II squadrons, one was ours and the other belonged to the Brits. As we approached those bombers on radar, we noticed 30 aircraft serving as escorts from a previously unknown design. I thought "damn, they must've had sent in their own prototypes too". We already had at least six new aircraft that had gotten into production recently (at least at the time). The brass called it the F-14 Tomcat, and as we approached, those Soviet fighters began to intercept us. The F-14s, along with some backup from Keflavik and the 892nd Naval Air Squadron, which had taken off from the HMS Ark Royal, broke formation and began engagement of the Forgers, as we later learned after the engagement. We lost at least five of our pilots, and the Brits lost two. The bombers were blown to pieces just before those Forgers started descending on us, but they had already launched two KH-22s in the direction of the USS America.

After a pitched fight, I turned out to be the only one aboard an F-106 to make it home, along with the remaining F-14s. I was ashamed I couldn't do anything and I felt like I needed to get some payback for losing so many friends that day, not just in the air but onboard the now damaged USS America. I asked for the opportunity to get a new plane, preferably a fighter, though the request was turned down. I felt lost, and damn...there was just little I could do. After that, I.....

***

8th of January of 1985
12 years after WWIII
Manila, the Philippines
14:00 hours local time

.......What were you actually supposed to do when you got to Seoul?

We were supposed to be forming a series of defensive positions around the city, before we could force the Norks and the Ruskies back across the Korean DMZ. Well, what used to be the Korean DMZ. When we got there, the South Koreans were already having some trouble in defending the city from the Norks. The Soviets had already been able to assist a second wave of Norks in breaching the initial defences, and both the Norks and Ruskies already secured a chunk of Seoul. Our job was to ensure that the enemy would not be able to take the city.

How did that work out in your end?

Considering the siege lasted through the remainder of the war and I am still alive, well, I suppose you can guess. I'll explain anyway, just in case you were not paying attention in history class or are too young to remember the war. So, when we were in Seoul, the Norks had the whole city already being bombarded by artillery barrages, and I was in an APC, just hoping not to get shelled. I got out just seconds before the APC I was in got burned, and it was horrible. The next thing I knew, we were surrounded by Norks and Ruskies everywhere.

Burned? Can you explain?

Oh, you never heard of a Molotov Cocktail? Well, turns out a Nork soldier managed to open a hatch inside the APC and throw a Molotov before getting killed. I lost three of my friends in that, and one of them burned to death as he ran out the APC being caught on fire. I remember after that being forced to hide in a nearby building with the battered remains of Fireteam A; I was in Fireteam D. Sergeant Bannon, in charge of Fireteam A barely managed to make it inside. The next thing we knew, we were pinned down inside the building.

What happened once you were trapped inside?

What happened was that the four of us were suddenly fighting for our lives, as they fired barrages of bullets at us and suddenly, we were stuck going from floor to floor trying to survive. On the 3rd floor, we manage to set up positions and make a stand. The scariest thing after that was a T-72 showing up on our doorstep. We heard rumours they were being shipped to the Norks and to the troops in Europe, but I never believed the Norks actually had any T-72s. I took out my rocket launcher, an M72 LAW, and then just fired at the T-72 as it started barraging us with machine gun fire and began to turn its main gun at us. It hit the left side of the tank, and the next thing I knew, a fiery blaze of death engulfed it, along with 5 other Norks. Fireteam A also managed to take out at least 3 other Norks and two Soviet infantrymen before we were rescued by a passing Huey helicopter.

We were then given orders to fall back and regroup in downtown Seoul, but we were noted that retreat was not an option (until the end of the war). That was when the next couple of days were.....

***

14th of February of 1982
9 Years after WWIII
50 km outside the Bonn ruins, Rhine-Westphalian Federal Republic
21:21 hours local time


What happened after Fulda was secured?

After the town was secured, and we defeated the Americans along the river, were then ordered to advance towards Frankfurt, but it turned out the Americans were starting to become increasingly resilient as we approached. It all started as our battalion (the Division was forced to separate in order to cover more ground and advance faster) approached a small town called Schotten, which, according to intelligence reports, had NATO forces digging up defensive positions in there. We were sent in the second wave of the attack, after the first wave had barely managed to break through NATO defences. But this time, they were not letting go without a fight.

Why wouldn't they just retreat?

Personally, I don't know. Post-war narratives suggest that NATO was planning to retreat after we had been stalled long enough, but they never got to see that. Our objective was to secure Schotten and smash the American defences there quickly and decisively. As acting company commander, I was to take NATO down forces along the left flank, while also avoiding any ambushes set up along the mountains. In the process, we ran into at least two NATO ambushes, and lost at least five tanks in the process. When we approached the town, the Americans were already expecting us, and the next thing we knew, we were forced to engage in combat with not only M60 tanks, but also with anti-tank infantry units, that were crawling everywhere from house to house. It took several airstrikes, artillery barrages and a lot of napalm to ensure that NATO did not inflict too much damage on the left flank. Things got ugly once we were inside the town. NATO anti-tank infantry and tanks were everywhere. "Ёбаные натовские сволочи!" (Transliteration: "Yobanyye natovskiye svolochi!"; Translation: "Fucking NATO bastards!"), I thought as I tried to radio for reinforcements, and it broke down. I started barking orders everywhere to my gunner and driver, as the company barely managed to make it. By the time we pushed NATO forces back, our company and a chunk of the left flank was already battered to the point we had to stop and fix some of the tanks.

How long were you stuck fixing those tanks?

We were stuck there for an hour before the town got gassed, and I remember desperately trying to shoot American infantry, jeeps and M60 tanks as they approached to stop us. Then the next thing I know, an airstrike started to release Sarin gas everywhere. We were lucky to be inside the tanks as the gas dissipated, but the damage was done. As the gas dissipated, I saw things one would not believe at the time. I saw bodies laying all around me, and many of the tank crews in my company were among the bodies. The next thing I knew, I felt like a monster. To use chemical weapons in a battlefield situation and sacrificing men to achieve victory, only to use them on both combatants, it....it was insanity.

However, that was not the only insanity I had to worry about, and in fact, many of us had no idea of what was coming........

***

11th of November of 1973
86.06 km off the coast of Iceland, GIUK Gap
Day 17, WWIII
11:19 hours local time

Begin Transmission


USS William H. Standley: Sierra Actual, this is the USS William H. Standley, we've are currently all clear. Convoy's good so far. How copy over?

USS Saratoga: Solid copy, William H. Standley, we've got nothing so far. Looks like the convoy's safe f-.

USS John King: Sierra Actual, this is USS John King! We've got multiple Shaddock and Starbright missiles, inbound! I repeat, we have missiles incoming! Requesting permission to engage nearby detected 5 SSGNs, four Echo IIs and a Charlie I, over!

USS Saratoga: Copy that, John King, permission granted. We're initiating all necessary countermeasures. Firing SAMs!

3 minutes later

USS Saratoga: Mayday! Mayday! Mayday! This is USS Saratoga, I repeat, this is the USS Saratoga, I say again Sierra Actual! Mayday USS Saratoga, we're in coordinates 63.341247 latitude, -13.281741 longitude, we are suffering severe damage and sinking fast! We have at least 3,000 survivors, as well as 200 surviving officers onboard, we're currently abandoning ship! We're cu- *An explosion, combined with screams of agony are heard in the background, followed by static*

USS William H. Standley: ...We've got multiple missile-. *Explosion is heard, followed by static in the background*

USS John King: Saratoga Actual and William H. Stanley are down! Firing missiles at SSGNs!

USS Barney: Whoever the hell's in charge, this is the USS Barney! We've taken some damage, and we've already gotten transmissions from the USS Sellers; they ain't doing any better! Requesting permission to pull out! How copy, over?!

USS John King: Solid copy, USS Barney and that's a negative! We're not disengaging! We fail here and Europe will be overrun by December dammit!

USS Barney: Wilco, USS John King! Engaging bogeys!

Five minutes later

USS John King: Hostiles have been eliminated. One of the oil tanker's taken damage, along with the USS Sellers and USS Barney. Losses include the USS Saratoga, and the USS William H. Standley, CINCLANTFTL, how copy?

CINCLANTFLT: Solid copy, USS John King. Any damaged units are to head towards port nearby. The rest are to be assigned on ASW ops, over.

USS John King: Understood CINCLANTFLT, out.

End Transmission

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19th of July of 1993
20 years after the War
Iverness, Republic of Scotland
09:00 hours local time

....How did you manage to stay alive the whole time in Bremen?

As we retreated from Hamburg, I remember that we were fighting for our lives, and we continuously went for four days on end with barely any sleep, just trying to fight our lives. What was left of the 1st Division tried to slow them down at Rotenburg, and were forced to retreat as we dug up in Bremen. By the time the Soviets got to Bremen, we had already heard the news that the Americans were gassed in Schotten, and that Schüchtern was overrun by the Russians and East Germans. But in our case, we had to worry about more than just Russians and East Germans. We had East Germans, Poles, and Russians on our arses, while the West Germans had already been overrun by Soviet-Czechoslovak forces along their border with Czechoslovakia. I remember that in the afternoon, the Soviets had already begun their advance onto Bremen. My assigned battalion had been given orders to slow down the Russians for as long as possible, while the rest of the 3rd Division prepares to blow the bridges nearby along the Weser River.

How long was your battalion able to slow them down?

We were able to slow them down for a few hours while in the town. As they breached the initial fortifications, I remember that it devolved into a bloody street by street battle. I remember my platoon being surrounded by at Spetsnaz and several East German platoons in a street corridor, aided by four BTR-60s, though we did have some aid from an anti-tank platoon anyway. They managed to mow down some of the BTR-60s, while I watched most of my platoon get slaughtered. We got caught up in the middle of a firefight inside a building, as one by one, I lost men, friends and I even lost my brother down there. The more I try to remember, the less I want to be reminded of that debacle. Either way, we got orders to retreat back to the bridges, and order several airstrikes on the town and the bridges. As we attempted to cross, we managed to only destroy one of the bridges, while the Russians had made it through with airborne units. We had to get the hell out of there, and finally I remember that I was actually almost killed by an artillery barrage raining down on us as we retreated. I took a piece of shrapnel to the leg, and I was unconscious as hell rained on our arses. The Medivac showed up just barely before I woke up in there and realised that now the Soviets had a clear shot towards the Rhine.

Bloody hell, I just......

***

12th of November of 1973
Day 18, WWIII
Quneitra, Syria
14:57 hours local time

Begin Transmission


36th Armor Division: Lightning, this is Rage, we have orders from Northern Command to engage any hostiles in the Quneitra area. Advance, over.

188th Armor Brigade: Wilco, Rage. We are moving in to wipe out any hostile forces.

36th Armor Division: Golani, this is Rage. Mission objective for you is clear, conduct any offensive operations in this area.

1st Infantry Brigade: Rage, this is Golani! We've got multiple Soviet forces inbound! Requesting ai- *explosion is heard in the background* Requesting air support!

36th Armor Division: Foxtrot Actual, this is Rage. Requesting airstrike at coordinates 33.128675 latitude, 35.826201 longitude.

USS Forrestal: Wilco, Rage. We're sending in the Rampagers. How copy, over?

36th Armor Division: Solid copy, Foxtrot Actual. We're moving in.

20 minutes later

VA-83: Rage, this is Foxtrot Zero One, we're moving towards your designated coordinates. Preparing payload.

36th Armor Division: Roger that, Foxtrot Zero One.

VA-83: Bombs away!

10 minutes later

36th Armor Division: All brigades, advance!

1st Infantry Brigade: Wilco, Rage. We're moving. Out

188th Armor Brigade: Wilco, we are advancing. Out.

End Transmission

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Well, gentlemen, this should be everything so far. I have been able to ask as carefully as I possibly can to make the best of things. Sorry about the delay, though. Hopefully, Chapter 3 is not so long in terms of time spending. Good luck, ladies and gentlemen! I hope you enjoy!
 
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why would the Americans agree to get rid of their carriers and why wouldn't the crews return home to restore order

They are not. Because the US is just....dead. :p

#NotSerious.

But in all seriousness, I am not going to give any spoilers until post-War knowledge is revealed.
 
Ever heard of COOP or Continuity of Operations. And yes kinda im just currently wondering why the USA would get rid of one of its carriers considering Congress and the pres and most of line of succession should survive the war
 
Ever heard of COOP or Continuity of Operations. And yes kinda im just currently wondering why the USA would get rid of one of its carriers considering Congress and the pres and most of line of succession should survive the war

I have heard about Continuity of Operations plans. The issue is....well, there is no guarantee those plans are going to work if this scenario happened in a real life context. However, if you have any better ideas on what to do with the USS America, feel free to tell me.
 
So, @GDIS Pathe? Any better ideas on what to do with the USS America? And how do you even know Nixon, most of Congress and the line of succession are still alive?
 
Alright, so I fixed the problem with the USS America, and I managed to make it set up shop somewhere in the Eastern North American coastline, so...........
 
And how do you even know Nixon, most of Congress and the line of succession are still alive?
Congress should be up at Greenbriar resort the second the first reports of a tac nukes hit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greenbrier Its was secret until the mid to late 90s IIRC the pres should either be at Mount weather in the air on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-4 if it was rushed or in Raven Rock or Mount Weather D.C is far too exposed same with the rest of the cabinet moved off the various locations. Personally I prefer it for most of the USN to be around the Federal gov but hey it your story
 
Congress should be up at Greenbriar resort the second the first reports of a tac nukes hit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greenbrier Its was secret until the mid to late 90s IIRC the pres should either be at Mount weather in the air on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-4 if it was rushed or in Raven Rock or Mount Weather D.C is far too exposed same with the rest of the cabinet moved off the various locations. Personally I prefer it for most of the USN to be around the Federal gov but hey it your story

Oh........Well, then. I hope that the breakdown of law and order does not make things any worse.
 
It will actually allow the Feds to better move in no one is really gonna try and stop them when things have gone to complete and utter shit not mentioning whatever preparations have been made in the 3 weeks of conventional fighting
 
Congress should be up at Greenbriar resort the second the first reports of a tac nukes hit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greenbrier Its was secret until the mid to late 90s IIRC the pres should either be at Mount weather in the air on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-4 if it was rushed or in Raven Rock or Mount Weather D.C is far too exposed same with the rest of the cabinet moved off the various locations. Personally I prefer it for most of the USN to be around the Federal gov but hey it your story
So firstly... the Greenbriar facility would keep Congress safe for a time. But, evetually their food stores would run out and they would have to venture out to find supplies in a world of chaos and nuclear hellscape. POTUS along with SECDEF should be at Mount Weather assuming it doesn't take a direct hit and the first E-4 wasn't built till 1973 and it was just a empty Boeing-747 it didn't have any of the command and control equipment finished being installed until December of 1974. Not to mention the resulting EMP form the nuclear blast resulting in communications break down and massive break down of command as soliders desert and leave their posts to be with their famlies. On top of this while Mount Weather may have hardened systems that's not for long range transmission as that was meant to be the E-4's job.

Thus I have come to the conclusion that congress would likely starve to death or wander out into th waste becoming part of the various post war factions. The Supreme Court suffers the same fate except their bunker is under the Grove Park Inn in North Carolina. As for the President we can expect a relocation to Mount Cheyenne if it's still their or to Alaska or Western Montana (regions minimally affected by the Nuclear War). As for the armed forces... well... that's a shit storm... forces overseas and ships at sea would likely try to return home and if unable to do that they would integrate with the locals. As for the armed forces in the United States... well we can expect National Guards to be loyal to their State Governors or the highest authority alive on a state level. While the Navy would likely try to get all its ships out to sea before the bombs hit and those ships might congrate somewhere like Alaska for the West Coast and Bahamas or Maine for the East Coast. (Once again region's minimally affected by the Nuclear War) as for the Army, Air Force, and the Marines... well that's a very mixed bag. We except all manner of things from them including but not limited to: Millitary Police States, Remaining Loyal to the various Federal Government Sucessors (Congress, Supreme Court, and President may not be aware that the other two are still alive and may try to rebuild America separately via not knowing the others still exist.) (only applies to those who know the Federal Goverment is still a thing) (aka those stationed at Mount Weather, NORRAD, Etc), We can also expect them to form some of their own factions or join the militaries of US Successor States, but I'd say the vast majority go home to their famlies or return to their state of birth/state where they live and are loyal to state Governors or whatever reigns in their place. But, that's my two cents on it.
 
personally i generally believe its gonna be chaos for the firsts few years before the factions do eventually unify. After all they are all Americans plus I'm pretty sure the bunkers are farily well stocked and really there aren't gonna be many major secessionist states just provisional governments.
 
Also, how was the America damaged while missile defense systems in the 70s were not that good im pretty sure they could have taken out 2 missiles how the backfires even got into firing range is a bit weird considering US doctrine was to kill the archers
 
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