1960:Cabot Lodge vs Humprey.

1952.
"Cheekers speech" is much less effective so Ike "fires" Nixon and take Earl
Warren for VicePresident.

1954.
John Fitzgerald Kennedy dies at the age of 37 years for after surgery complications.

1959.
VicePresident Warren announces that don't run for Presidency.

1960.
Henry Cabot Lodge jr and Hubert Humphrey are the candidates for Republican and Democratic Party.

So we have Cabot Lodge VS Humphrey in 1960.
Who win?
 
Lodge. He will sweep New England and most of the interior west.

Humphrey wins every Southern state except Virginia and Mississippi. Virginia likely goes to Lodge and Mississippi to undeclared electors or a 3rd party southern candidate.

I cannot imagine Lodge winning Texas even if HHH does not pick LBJ.
 
HHH was a pretty dynamic campaigner. Don't let the dummy spitters of the Left from 'The Fear and Loathing' era tell you otherwise.

However, he is far too pro-Civil Rights in 1960 to win the nomination, IMO. I do think he is the perfect veep running mate for LBJ at this time (Johnson still appears to exist).

Lodge appears to still be a senate race loser in this scenario. I assume Rockefeller has still burst onto the scene.

Sorry, I just don't see Humphrey versus Lodge arising.
 
Lodge had no electoral talent. He lost a very winnable Senate race to JFK in '52 and was not really interested in domestic politics. The GOP has two choices in '60: Nixon and Rocky. Period.
 

Wolfpaw

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Lodge had no electoral talent. He lost a very winnable Senate race to JFK in '52 and was not really interested in domestic politics. The GOP has two choices in '60: Nixon and Rocky. Period.

I believe you mean Goldwater, not Rocky. While Rockefeller was a potential VP candidate in 1960, there was little chance he would have gotten the nomination; too liberal and not enough (official) experience (he'd been Governor of New York for less than two years) to lead the ticket.

Everybody thought Goldwater would fight Nixon for the nomination and were very relieved when he didn't. Without Nixon, we'd probably see a Goldwater-moderate ticket in 1960.
 

Wolfpaw

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Goldwater in '60 was like McGovern in '68: unknown, seemingly a nice guy. Then we learn their ideology...

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you. Goldwater was far from an unknown in 1960; he'd been one of the most popular and outspoken Republican senators of the 1950s, which earned him friends within the political elite, and in 1960 he published The Conscience of a Conservative which put him on the national map.

Again, moderate and liberal Republicans were very worried Goldwater would actually try to nab the 1960 nomination since he had both the clout and popularity to really give Nixon a run for his money.
 
Ike would then order the party machinery into gear and crush Goldwater. It might also help Nixon to actually have a primary fight, instead of a coronation.
 
But in this timeline we have in run Cabot Lodge and Humprey.
Lodge had no a great electoral talent,but have the advantage of the Ike popularity.
Humphrey is a more dynamic campaigner,but he is a bit far left side in 1960.
So?
And another thing,"the look factor" have importance also in this election like in OTL 1960 election?
In television Cabot Lodge is more smart and Presidential that Humphrey?
And in yours opinion who would the best and more prepared President?
 
I believe you mean Goldwater, not Rocky. While Rockefeller was a potential VP candidate in 1960, there was little chance he would have gotten the nomination; too liberal and not enough (official) experience (he'd been Governor of New York for less than two years) to lead the ticket.

Everybody thought Goldwater would fight Nixon for the nomination and were very relieved when he didn't. Without Nixon, we'd probably see a Goldwater-moderate ticket in 1960.
My problem here is always the painting of extremism Rockefeller gets. He wasn't really extravagantly and flamboyantly Liberal, at least for this era (being one where Conservatism is a four letter word and Liberalism is the good word; go figure). And if Goldwater, whose Conservatism was at the fringe of the political spectrum enough that he was easily crushed by Johnson and would have been easily crushed by anyone else, got the nomination, then I think the leader of the Liberal/Moderate coalition can muster it too. And if Dewey got the nomination in the 40's, sharing a similar Liberal seat within the GOP's power structure, then I see no problem with Rockefeller. Now for 1960 rather than '64 or later, I don't know. But that relies solely on experience rather than political orientation (in this era, Rockefeller ain't nothing to cringe at), and even there Rockefeller has a long and respectable resume of political experience before the governorship.
 
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My problem here is always the painting of extremism Rockefeller gets. He wasn't really extravagantly and flamboyantly Liberal, at least for this era (being one where Conservatism is a four letter word and Liberalism is the good word; go figure). And if Goldwater, whose Conservatism was at the fringe of the political spectrum enough that he was easily crushed by Johnson and would have been easily crushed by anyone else, got the nomination, then I think the leader of the Liberal/Moderate coalition can muster it too.

Yeah.

Rockefeller isn't tarnished in 1960, he's a big state governor, he had foreign policy experience (albeit from having worked in the administration of the man conservative GOPers thought was the devil.)

Goldwater is the man who tried to convince Eisenhower not to meet with Khruschev in negotiations.

Oh, and the previous flagbearer of the Republican Right, William Knowland, had been decimated in the '58 elections--on the same day Rocky swept into office with a landslide.

Rockefeller over Goldwater in a Nixonless 1960 is a no-brainer.
 

MacCaulay

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I misread this as "1960:Cabot Lodge vs Hungary."

Poor Henry is doomed if he's got to take on the whole country...though I suppose if he can get behind a door where they'll be funnelled in one-by-one he's got a shot.
 
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