1939: Danzig before Prague

Lokari

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For as many large numbers of Jews would die off in the deportation, surely millions more would survive this way than in the Holocaust.
The estimated potential for habitation was estimated by Polish experts at 40.000, that's far off cry from "millions"
The much vaunted OTL Allied liberation of Europe allowed the Nazis to kill the European Jews pretty much almost entirely
So if Red Army didn't liberate Auschwitz, the Nazis would set Jews free ?:rolleyes:

Moreover, I'm pretty sure that Polish predictions would turn out unaccurate in the end. Pre-Zionist Palestine, too, was largely deemed unsuitable for large-scale settlement of European Jews.
Well the Jewis experts estimated 1-2.000 Jews could be settled. And Palestine was not a disease infested island thousands of miles away from shipping an food transports. Neither was it under the rule of genocidal regime that saw Jews as subhumans to exterminate.


American Jews would almost surely send supplies and money in their brethren in Madagascar.
And I am sure those supplies and money wouldn't end up for German war effort and families of Nazi party elite.
 

Eurofed

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Making a list before the war of prominent Jewish rabbis, doctors, lawyers, and merchants to murder, whose names were listed in the Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen, and selected by Gestapo office in Berlin by orders of Heydrich seems hardly as "unsystematic" and in fact quite like a bureucratic effort effort to track them down and kill them.
Which Enisatzgruppe zur besondern verwendung did-well at least according to Alexander B. Rossino from Center for Advanced Holocaust Studies.

Listing names, creating a special book with the names to track down the people and murder them, establishing a unit to do that. Seems like everything but unsystematic effort. And it seems like quite a lot of bureucratic work was put into the effort to make sure those people were murdered.

You really don't want to see the point, do you ? It's all about scale. By themselves, the Enisatzgruppen alone would be able to kill thousands, or tens of thousands, not millions.
 

Eurofed

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So if Red Army didn't liberate Auschwitz, the Nazis would set Jews free ?:rolleyes:

For the good that it made. By the time the Red Army reached Auschwitz, the Holocaust had almost entirely run its course.

Well the Jewis experts estimated 1-2.000 Jews could be settled.

As affluent settlers. Not deportees struggling for survival and figthing for survival. Again, this all about keeping many more Jews alive, not confortable (at least the first years).

And Palestine was not a disease infested island thousands of miles away from shipping an food transports.

It was a semi-desertic wasteland.

And I am sure those supplies and money wouldn't end up for German war effort and families of Nazi party elite.

Which war effort ? In this scenario, America and the Axis are at peace. Maybe in a Cold War, but at peace.
 

Lokari

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For the good that it made. By the time the Red Army reached Auschwitz, the Holocaust had almost entirely run its course.
Some of Auschwitz survivors live today, perhaps you would like to tell them that to their face ?
And around 33 % of Jews in Europe were spared extermination due to victory over Nazis.

You really don't want to see the point, do you ? It's all about scale. By themselves, the Enisatzgruppen alone would be able to kill thousands, or tens of thousands, not millions.
Doesn't really matter. Organised genocide can be inflicted on thousands not not on millions. The point is that the theory of supposed "deportation first" Nazi policy is incorrect looking at historicall behaviour. They murdered Jews in organised actions from the start of WW2.

As affluent settlers. Not deportees struggling for survival and figthing for survival.
So colonists with much better support would have less chances of survival then mistreated Jews fighting for survival-your argument doesn't sound logical.

It was a semi-desertic wasteland.
Close to Europe, shipping and with ample of support base developed by Zionist colonists for decades. Even then they never amounted to millions like you propose settled in Madagascar.
Which war effort ? In this scenario, America and the Axis are at peace. Maybe in a Cold War, but at peace.
Arms build up, resistance in Soviet Union, and of course this doesn't contradict the ability for Nazi elites to steal money and goods for personal use and to provide support among German population-something they were quite known for in OTL.



Main points:
-That Madagascar which was estimated to hold up to max 40,000 Jewish colonists would hold 9.5 milion of them is fantasy
-Any such effort would be genocide, I wouldn't be surprised if barges with Jews would be sunked 10 miles off the coast, majority of Jews on Madagscar would die of famine, disease or through extermination through labour
-To believe that regime whose primary ideology centred on hatred of Jews and desire to exterminate them would provide any help to allow for their survival is ridiculous
-Comparing Madagascar with Palestine is flawed-Palestine had decades of Zionist build up in terms of infrastructure, was close to Europe, had enourmous backing up from other states after 1945 for Jewish homeland, and even then never did the Jewish settlement amount to numbers proposed.
 
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