Under hitler the economy was seen as doing better, and the party said it had all the answers. If that all went away it won't go well for the nazis
1938 Adolf Hitler died from plane crash before appeasement
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Quig
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No one's coming to the Pole's rescue over Danzig etc. in the scenario. They will be on their own. If they still seize Cieszyn Silesia, they lose any hope of a Czech alliance.
Counterpoint, the Nazis held on even as the war clearly turned against them and Germany fought on until the ruins of Berlin itself.
Göring would publicly blame Jewish saboteurs for the plane crash, and would covertly arrange a Rwanda-style genocide beginning on Krystallnacht.
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kham_coc
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Realistically, the Czechs will hand over the Sudetenland and then Germany will have no trouble maintaining that relationship. If there is a Polish-Czech alliance, Germany can deal with both at the same time, because Framce will not act without the UK.
whippingcool&86
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Even if Hitler (and every single passenger inside lavish airplane) perished from the plane crash and the cautious resultant of Sudetenland annexed by Germany with mostly transparency plesticibite, there is 80-90% chance the new German government under Goring carried out the unleashed of the vandalising and arsoning hundreds of Jewish synagogues, as well as schools, businesses, hospitals, libraries, homes, and small factories being owned by Jewish on early November 1938. The German troops probably either misled or misinterpreted prosecution of tens of thousands of Jewish males for inciting the vocal criticism of harsher Hitler’s regime prior to Hitler’s death from plane crash.
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Exactly. In this scenario, with President Hitler allegedly assassinated by the stigmatized group, would Krystallnacht erupt into an immediate and open genocide of hundreds of thousands? Would that shock the rest of the world into intervening?
[ Göring no doubt arranges a huge memorial rally, simulcast on German radio, and personally gives Hitler's eulogy followed by the "cut down the tall trees" order. ]
[ Göring no doubt arranges a huge memorial rally, simulcast on German radio, and personally gives Hitler's eulogy followed by the "cut down the tall trees" order. ]
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tonycat77
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Germany falls into a franco style goverment under Goring.
I expect a war to happen between a much stronger, rearmed USSR in the late 1940s.
Hitler would be considered the greatest german who ever lived, even Jewish conservatives in ATL Germany or a Alt-Israel would praise him (by 1938, Germany was no more anti-semitic than most of eastern europe and the post-war USSR), there would be statues and street names even today.
Would be funny to see him as a Vargas in europe for the left, Vargas was a fascist but who whose worker rights legislation and economic policies on autarky and nationalism would endear him to leftists such as Lula even to this day.
I expect a war to happen between a much stronger, rearmed USSR in the late 1940s.
Hitler would be considered the greatest german who ever lived, even Jewish conservatives in ATL Germany or a Alt-Israel would praise him (by 1938, Germany was no more anti-semitic than most of eastern europe and the post-war USSR), there would be statues and street names even today.
Would be funny to see him as a Vargas in europe for the left, Vargas was a fascist but who whose worker rights legislation and economic policies on autarky and nationalism would endear him to leftists such as Lula even to this day.
further counterpoint, that was after the further radicalization of Munich, victories in Poland, the benelux and France. and ultimately, the reich's prophecies that they must destroy communism and russia or russian communism would destroy them proved true. we should be glad the russians won of course, but the early eastern front probably did a lot to bolster the NDSAP's look
It doesn't matter whether there was a conspiracy or not, they can blame the dead pilot or some unfortunate schmuck at the aircraft hangar. Göring is not one to let facts get in the way of a Big Lie
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whippingcool&86
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Maybe the deceased (non-Jewish) German heroic military pilot privately studied and taught one of his Jewish friends for extremely long time to study the Jewish and democratic principles to topple down Adolf Hitler to generalized the discouragement of the strengthened German Army rearmament and the opposition to the oppressive Hiter’s antisemitism on Jewish race. His last words before entering inside the airplane would be (according to witnesses) “The liberty will enshrine for German Jewish citizens to stand for solidarity against future authoritarian. One day, enlightened pointed toward the West. Germany will rebuild equalitarianism.” (Reupload)
whippingcool&86
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Ok, what would be the British newspaper name look like when reporting on the unforeseeable death of Adolf Hitler?
Reputable papers:
Chancellor Hitler Dead In Plane Crash
Investigation Ongoing
shitty tabloids
EXTRA: HITLER ASSASSINATED!!!
Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish!
with the latter unfortunately feeding into Göring's narrative
whippingcool&86
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And also, another stalker follows New German Chancellor Hermann Goring and his guards at sensitive places in an attempt on revenge for “Kristallnacht” event that German troops and mobs badly rampaged thousands of stores owned by Jews. There could potentially spillover German civil unrest due to unjustified the perseverance of Nazism. I doubt Goring’s reign lasted significantly longer as loner assassin targeted the various heads of departments, including Goring, during winter months.
Honestly, I think we're heading into utterly unrealistic territory if random, fictituous super assassins keep popping up everywhere and magically picking off Nazi leaders...whose security would be super tight after the Führer was killed (and where did the anti-Nazi pilot come from in the first place? Hitler had a pilot called Hans Baur, who was a Nazi), to put it mildly. I mean, writing a story about these scumbags getting their just comeuppance Inglorious Bastards style can be fun. But it's a fantasy story, not a realistic AH scenario.
Let me reiterate a few points:
Let me reiterate a few points:
- The Nazis weren't in the habit of killing their own, except in special circumstances. Hitler dying won't suddenly cause a civil war. They only had two violent internal purges. One was the Night of the Long Knives, the other was after a bunch of officers tried to blow up Hitler.
- Most Germans support the regime. Sure, there's grumbling about stuff like consumer good shortages, corruption in the Party and people are afraid of war...but Hitler is mostly exempt from their criticism. 'If only the Führer knew' was a common saying back in the day. In 1938 the regime has been pretty successful in its stated aims...so a dead Hitler won't be denounced, but seen as a martyred hero.
- Tying in with the above, Kristallnacht is bound to get worse. Chances are, it's bound to be something more organised and a lot more terrifying than the SA mob violence. For one, it'll be a far more coordinated action, instead of Goebbels trying to gain relevance and give the in his view stagnant anti-Semitic policy some energy. The military won't randomly go berserk...rather the 'cleansing' will be carried out 'efficiently'. In OTL most Germans were disgusted by Kristallnacht...but not because innocent people had been murdered and/or had their livelihood destroyed, but because it was so messy, in your face violence and had destroyed financial assets at a time when Germans were being told to tighten their belts. In this situation, there won't be any criticism in Germany. A lone assassin is bound to be portrayed as some kinda 'Jewish Marxist'. Much like how in OTL Elser couldn't possibly be one man trying to do what the generals didn't have the balls or moral courage to do, but had to be a minion of the British Secret Service and Otto Strasser.
- Most of the conspirators, at the time, aren't opposed to the regime in its entirety, but certain aspects of it (SS intrigues, lack of respect for the law, favouritism to Party bigwigs, policy towards the churches) and afraid of war. Indeed, most opposed assassinating Hitler. There are a few really committed types who want him gone no matter what, but they aren't the majority. Neither Halder nor Brauchitsch will stage a coup. The military will obey its superiors because they're on board with what the Nazis are doing.
- This doesn't stop Appeasement. Göring, while not a 'Notzi', isn't as much of a gambler as Hitler because it gets in the way of enjoying stolen artworks and hunting stags.
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Would a junker/Göring Germany continue to support the KMT? Would they continue their support for Franco?
Quig
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Goering is likely to get up from the table with Germany's territorial winnings to consolidate them. As some point, the Second Polish Republic's horrible treatment of non-Polish minorities and arguably unjustified control of territories seen by Lithuanians and Ukrainians as theirs will see Poland tearing apart. But of course, that is not the post-Hitler government's problem.
Why not? *Churchill* supported Franco insofar as he took sides at all, though disapproving of Italian submarines attacking merchant ships en route to Republican Spain. There's no reason for any likely German government to take the Republican side
whippingcool&86
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Recently, I inspiredly read from eBook “I Was Hitler’s Pilot” memoir by loyalty pilot Hans Bauer during Adolf Hiter’s regime. He loves to transport Adolf Hitler and his political staffs outside of Germany during the famous state visit trip. As an experienced pilot, he flew the “Condor” Ju.52 airplane resounded the gracious experience on tremendous flying times.
For instance, pilot Bauer flew from Berlin to Munich to accompany the compassionate Hungarian Prime Minister Gyula Gömbös, who arrived from special train at Munich during early morning, at the Munich airfield. Gyula Gömbös greeted extraordinary pilot Hans Bauer, his co-pilot, and few staffs about the resiliency German’s maintained economy and the enhance military attainable. According to page 77.
“After breakfast Gömbös came to the airfield and inspected my machine, showing a keen interest in its up-to-days equipment. We took off at 08:30 (A.M) and at my invitation he sat in front next to me, where he could get an excellent view of the (large) towns and the countryside over which we were flying (toward north). When we touched down in Berlin’s Hitler himself was on the airfield to greet him (in sincere way).”
Bauer determined to escort the world leaders at his “Condor” plane under Hitler’s favorable requests.
Sadly, if admirable pilot Hans Bauer make an appearance inside “Condor” airplane on the week of 1938 Munich Conference from Berlin to Munich, then the lasted moment of life of Han Bauer could be the death sentence from unforeseeable plane crash as the aggregated co-pilot instantly wants to eliminate Adolf Hitler about the harsh agreements on Sudetenland. The co-pilot presumably brawled with Bauer fighting the steering wheel. The anti-Hitler co-pilot may have placed a grenade/dynamites near the passenger seated area to illustrates the potential plane crash. This could end notably Hitler and Bauer’s life. What do you you think?
For instance, pilot Bauer flew from Berlin to Munich to accompany the compassionate Hungarian Prime Minister Gyula Gömbös, who arrived from special train at Munich during early morning, at the Munich airfield. Gyula Gömbös greeted extraordinary pilot Hans Bauer, his co-pilot, and few staffs about the resiliency German’s maintained economy and the enhance military attainable. According to page 77.
“After breakfast Gömbös came to the airfield and inspected my machine, showing a keen interest in its up-to-days equipment. We took off at 08:30 (A.M) and at my invitation he sat in front next to me, where he could get an excellent view of the (large) towns and the countryside over which we were flying (toward north). When we touched down in Berlin’s Hitler himself was on the airfield to greet him (in sincere way).”
Bauer determined to escort the world leaders at his “Condor” plane under Hitler’s favorable requests.
Sadly, if admirable pilot Hans Bauer make an appearance inside “Condor” airplane on the week of 1938 Munich Conference from Berlin to Munich, then the lasted moment of life of Han Bauer could be the death sentence from unforeseeable plane crash as the aggregated co-pilot instantly wants to eliminate Adolf Hitler about the harsh agreements on Sudetenland. The co-pilot presumably brawled with Bauer fighting the steering wheel. The anti-Hitler co-pilot may have placed a grenade/dynamites near the passenger seated area to illustrates the potential plane crash. This could end notably Hitler and Bauer’s life. What do you you think?
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