1935: Eva Bruun stabs Hitler to death

First off, Eva wouldn't stab Hitler (her mangod), she'd stab whoever he's flirting with. But let's say she misses and accidentally kills her Ade.

Hitler's will dictated that, in the event of his death,
Göring was to succeed him. Now, Herman wasn't an idiot, but he wasn't Adolf either. He'd likely run Germany much more competently and form a de facto power-sharing system between himself, the Party, the SS, and the Army. Since he was close with the Army, he'll be able to count on them to keep Himmler or Heydrich from launching a putsch. Hess will probably get the party while Goebbels fills up the charisma/oratory gap that Hitler's left.

Wolfpaw,

Hitler didn't name Goering as successor until 1940 and even then his position vis a vis Hess was still pretty questionable. I agree that Eva would be far more likely to kill the offending woman than Adolf himself unless she did it accidently. If its in 1935 the SS doesn't have a seat at the table, (they are tiny) they would either be firmly brought under the control of Hess/Goering, folded into the army or dissolved entirely. Goebbles, Heydrich and a lot of the party hatchet men (like Ribbentrop, Speer and Bormann) where still back benchers at this time and wouldn't emerge in a scenario where loyalty to Hitler isn't the first qualification

Hess would have the title, but Goering effectively wielded a lot of the instruments of power at this time (but they where on good terms in 1935, speaking in the familiar and as long as Hess allowed Hermann to keep his own little fiefdom he probably wouldn't care very much for additional responsibility anyway... (he started shedding some of his positions in the following years to focus on his luftwaffe, art stealing, drug usage and fornicating activities anyway)
 

Wolfpaw

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Ah. I see. I didn't know Göring wasn't named successor until '40. Well....now I feel silly :eek: I better go back to my Kershaw books...I think my mind's been slipping.
 
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Well, I didn't say the guy was an apologist, but his post sounded like it had a bit of Soviet apologism in there. More or less, it sounded like he was saying "Stalin wasn't so bad, it was all the German's fault that the USSR pulled the evil shit it did" not that he actually meant to sound that way, but it kind of did.

Anyway, I'm not saying that the soviet union would definetly be uber successful in conquering large swaths of eastern europe, but that it is highly likely that such a thing would be attempted, and most likely would meet with at least some success(finland was regarded as a dismal failure of the red army, but still had the Soviets making some gains anyway). Remember that with a POD in 1935, a lot could happen, especially depending upon just how things play out after hitler gets capped. If Stalin percieves an oppurtunity to make a grab at poland, the W Allies are going to have a hard time helping the Polish out without German help, which may or may not be forthcoming depending on just what is going on there.

The assumption that without the German invasion of the USSR the Soviets would not even bother to try to push westward into europe seems like folly to me. Cautious or not, if Stalin percieves an opening, I think he would take it, whether or not his perceptions are accurate. Remember, Stalin's assumptions about the motives or actions of other nation have not been without some major cockups(see Operation Barbarossa).
 
Ah. I see. I didn't know Göring wasn't named successor until '40. Well....now I feel silly :eek: I better go back to my Kershaw books...I think my mind's been slipping.

No worries friend, it came with his promotion to Reichmarshal, following the Fall of France (After Goering and Himmler had effectively neutralized Hess politically)
 
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