1914 Home Rule & Irish CW earlier

OK, let's say there's no outbreak of WWI in 1914- would there then have occurred an earlier CW in Ireland between the Irish Volunteers & Union Volunteers ? How would such a conflict have played out for the British govt ?
 
This scenario was considered in Niall Fergusson's "English Ireland" in which the Liberals force through home rule. He suggests that were there to be armed resistance from the loyalists the Tories would have been forced to withdraw their support from them. Once they indluged in armed rebellio n against the drown, they could harldy be called loyalists. The civil war would not have been as nasty as the Irish civil war as the two communities were to some extent sperated.

The Curragh Mutiny would have been a minor affair of a few officers resigning their commissions. Ultimately the army and the RIC would bwe drawn in to keep the peace. I suspect that a provincial parliament for Ulster might have split off the more moderate loyalists from the hard liners

However Britain also faced its own internal conflict with a threatened autumn series of strikes.

John Redmond may well have gone down in the history books rather than Micheal Collins and De Valera
 
This scenario was considered in Niall Fergusson's "English Ireland" in which the Liberals force through home rule. He suggests that were there to be armed resistance from the loyalists the Tories would have been forced to withdraw their support from them. Once they indluged in armed rebellio n against the drown, they could harldy be called loyalists. The civil war would not have been as nasty as the Irish civil war as the two communities were to some extent sperated.

The Curragh Mutiny would have been a minor affair of a few officers resigning their commissions. Ultimately the army and the RIC would bwe drawn in to keep the peace. I suspect that a provincial parliament for Ulster might have split off the more moderate loyalists from the hard liners

However Britain also faced its own internal conflict with a threatened autumn series of strikes.

John Redmond may well have gone down in the history books rather than Micheal Collins and De Valera
could you tell me where i could find thid english ireland of which you speak?
 
I've been interested in writing a TL based on no Sarajevo Assassination and this is certainly one of the most immideate impacts of such a divergence.

I've sometimes thought that had a Civil War broken out in 1914/1915 the result might have been very much the same to OTL. If the vast numbers of communal militia (the Unionists had at least 100,000 men) had actually been committed, there would have been mass bloodshed, and no doubt plenty of attacks on isolated Catholics in the north and isloated Protestants in the south. The Army would have had rough time and the fact ALOT of the standing Army consisted of Irishmen, and Scots-Irish, would have only complicated matters.

Regardless of how it ended, I can see the conflict leading many Irish Nationalist leaders, who were very uncaring about Protestant worries, to grudgingly accept Ulster would need to be governed seperately and maybe even population exchanged between the north and south. If the British Army was seen as more sympathetic to the north it would only add to an increasingly radical Nationalist movement, while the war in general will make many on all sides see Home Rule as simply unworkable.

Also depending on how the Tories come out of this, having openly backed the Ulster rebels pre-war, and with the Liberal idea of Home Rule considered a farce, Labour or a group of all-party rebels might rise up, called for partition and independence for the south to try and end the 'Irish Problem'. The King might even interfere.

I know little about the issue TBF, and I have little clue how large a war would spring from this but ironically I think a very similar outcome with possibly a larger death toll and maybe a far more damaging effect on the British Imperial psyche might happen
 
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