1905 Austro-Hungarian War

[Gladi]

There were differnt ethnicities in Austria-Hungary, but there was no own austrian ethnicity. There never was one, and there is none. So, what else are "Austrians" other than the inhabitants (without any ethnical or national connection) of Austria, or at least the Austrian half of the empire?

For future rference, Prussians, Swabians, Saxonians etc can be summarised as Germans. Oh, and yes, there is a Bavarian seperatist party. I think it scored under 1% last election in Bavaria itself, just for the record. And hell, there is even still a hanoverian secessionist party, but im not even sure it run last time in Lower Saxony, lol.

This cultural diversity is why we have a federal Republic (and why the Kaiserreich, too, was federal, even more so than nowadays Germany). Still its one nation!

Oh you are German? Sie mussen finden mich gross trotl, Ich am Deutschland so sprachen, and sorry for broken German. Anyway German nationality in itself is maybe not new idea, but certainly new reality. What are then the German-speaking people in Switzerland, German or Swiss? And there are more examples. And nowadays I do not think many Austrians would run into the embrace of Reich. But I think this is issue of familiriety, for almost four hundred years Bohemia was ruled from Austria, it is understandable that we started to percieve Austrians different than Germans. Also I would say that co-habitation changed all involved. Vienna was once secong largest Czech city in the world- right after Chicago. But it is mostly just subjective thing with nationality- Slovaks for example were almost Czechs.

 

[Susano]

Well, look up an ethnical map. Germanspaking Swiss and Austrians are shown as ethnically German. Of course, nationality is then still something else. But Swabians and Prussians are neither divided by the one nor by the other :/
And no question nationality is subjective, but I do not think that lessens the concept.
And I wouldnt quite say that German nationality is a new reality, as I WOULD say it dates back to 843 (Treaty of Verdun, foundation of German and French nations). The "new" reality was simply German nationalism...
But its good we have (mor or less) settled this dispute. Wolf should now get back his thread

 

[Matthew Craw]

Well, look up an ethnical map. Germanspaking Swiss and Austrians are shown as ethnically German.

Why don't you head over into Austria and tell them they're Germans?

You'll be missed.

To get back on topic, if Franz-Josef does leave teh duality in place then I'd expect the Magyar Hungarians to reassert control as soon as austrian forces are withdrawn, which is probably bound to happen eventually.

At that point, teh Monarchy becomes much less stable than even in OTL, as a limited and conditional Hungarian loyalty has been replaced with bitter resentment and a feeling that their status cannot be permamnently assured within the Empire, while the minorities will have decided that the Empire is not ever going to be an effective support against teh Hungarians.