18th century map (multiple PoDs)

I've been reading a lot of 18th century history and have in my head the outline of a timeline where many different PoDs happen - as they aren't mutually exclusive, I don't think its an illogical path. So far, I've created the map below (I can only do maps in Victoria II!) but was wondering what other changes/tweaks would make it a bit more differently realistic?

EDIT - take the date of the map below as 1836 after the longer term consequences of the PoDs have played out. Sorry, I didn't realise that the map date did not copy as part of the screenshot; that's very odd!

Thanks
Best Regards
Grey Wolf

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I've been reading a lot of 18th century history and have in my head the outline of a timeline where many different PoDs happen - as they aren't mutually exclusive, I don't think its an illogical path. So far, I've created the map below (I can only do maps in Victoria II!) but was wondering what other changes/tweaks would make it a bit more differently realistic?

Thanks
Best Regards
Grey Wolf

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This is the 18th century? In that case the personal union between the Netherlands and Luxemburg makes no sense. This only happened because the Netherlands and Prussia both wanted Luxemburg and the Personal Union was a compromise (the Dutch king still ruled Luxemburg, but Luxemburg was part of the German Confederation, so Prussia still had a lot of influence over it). Besides that, the only reason Luxemburg was split, is because of the Belgian revolution.

Actualy all of Belgium looks kind of strange. Is it Prussian? Does France have part of Wallonia/Hainaut? What happened to it?
 

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Russia owns Sweden or vice versa? Someone or something cut down the number of comic opera Germany states a century before Napoleon? Austria is HUGE and no Hungary? Who owns Sardinia? Ditto Crete? Ditto Cyprus? The Ottomans have lost Egypt, the Levant, and the Arabian peninsular to a variety of states? There's an East Prussia, Polish Corridor, and (perhaps) a Free City of Danzig straight out of 1919-1939? Microstates on the Dalmatian coast?

You're going to need a metric ton of PODs for that map and even then wouldn't they "fight" each other; i.e. Austria is unified and powerful but doesn't control Bohemia?
 
This is the 18th century? In that case the personal union between the Netherlands and Luxemburg makes no sense. This only happened because the Netherlands and Prussia both wanted Luxemburg and the Personal Union was a compromise (the Dutch king still ruled Luxemburg, but Luxemburg was part of the German Confederation, so Prussia still had a lot of influence over it). Besides that, the only reason Luxemburg was split, is because of the Belgian revolution.

Actualy all of Belgium looks kind of strange. Is it Prussian? Does France have part of Wallonia/Hainaut? What happened to it?

The changes are in the 18th century, but I've projected them forwards to 1836, whereby I've had the Ottomans NOT reassert control over Tripoli and Mesopotomia and something analogous to Mehmed Ali's Egypt still arise (after all, the structural reasons that allowed Egypt to rise to a position of challenge still exist)

I posited a different but large war in the period of OTL's Revolutionary/Napoleonic Wars with its own changes and rollbacks. One of these changes was that the Austrian Netherlands end up Prussian, but France acquires a couple of to-become key fortresses there.

Tweaking this area is fine by me, I did consider keeping some of the bishoprics as independent duchies (Salzburg, Hasselt, Osnabruck) but decided that in an age of both secularisation of these territories on the one hand, and rollback of some of the larger changes on the other, these duchies would end up being incorporated into someone else's gains

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
Russia owns Sweden or vice versa? Someone or something cut down the number of comic opera Germany states a century before Napoleon? Austria is HUGE and no Hungary? Who owns Sardinia? Ditto Crete? Ditto Cyprus? The Ottomans have lost Egypt, the Levant, and the Arabian peninsular to a variety of states? There's an East Prussia, Polish Corridor, and (perhaps) a Free City of Danzig straight out of 1919-1939? Microstates on the Dalmatian coast?

You're going to need a metric ton of PODs for that map and even then wouldn't they "fight" each other; i.e. Austria is unified and powerful but doesn't control Bohemia?

Take the date of the map as 1836

There was a period when Sweden was a target for Russian expansionism, and it was considered a very real threat in Stockholm. Here, I had it continue, and as something of a quid-pro-quo Poland survives, and Austria is able to expand over what was for a while their target in Moldavia and Wallachia

Most of the PoDs reinforce each other. Danzig was an independent Free City until absorbed by Prussia. Frederick The Great gained the so-called Polish Corridor for Prussia in the first partition of Poland in OTL - here I am positing that Poland loses land later, and separately.

Austria's loss of Bohemia is due to being bashed early in the great war, her revival hasn't won it back for her since Prussia, Saxony etc won't have it. Instead, her revival has consolidated her Black Sea coastal possessions.

Venice retains (or regains its recently lost) South Dalmatian coast, Cattaro and the Ionian Islands, whilst Ragusa retains its independence

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
I posited a different but large war in the period of OTL's Revolutionary/Napoleonic Wars with its own changes and rollbacks. One of these changes was that the Austrian Netherlands end up Prussian, but France acquires a couple of to-become key fortresses there.

Tweaking this area is fine by me, I did consider keeping some of the bishoprics as independent duchies (Salzburg, Hasselt, Osnabruck) but decided that in an age of both secularisation of these territories on the one hand, and rollback of some of the larger changes on the other, these duchies would end up being incorporated into someone else's gains

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
Although I don't consider it likely that the Southern Netherlands ends up Prussian, but it is not impossible. In anycase, I would not make Luxemburg Dutch, as there is no good reason for it. Actualy I think it's fort would be one of the major reasons for Prussia to acquire that region.

You might also consider what to do about the province of Limburg as it was before the Napoleonic war devided by the Netherlands, Prussia, Austria and various small independent regions. Still it is certainly possible, maybe even likely that it ends up Dutch, if only to connect the various Dutch exclaves in the region. There were some enclaves in Belgian Limburg too. If the Netherlands gains (Dutch) Limburg, I think it is likely that it could gain some territory in what is now Belgian Limburg. The land isn't that valuable and was not part of the Austrian Netherlands (but of Liege). I could see it partially ending up Dutch.

The last Dutch exclave would be Zeelandic Flanders, but connecting it to the Netherlands would basicly mean a Dutch Antwerp. Not sure if that would happen. Antwerp is a very big price for Prussia to give away. It probably depends on the war, the Dutch and Prussia role in it and the opinion of the British of both Prussia and the Netherlands. If they consider Prussia a treat, they would probably try to avoid Antwerp to end up in Prussian hands.
 
Although I don't consider it likely that the Southern Netherlands ends up Prussian, but it is not impossible. In anycase, I would not make Luxemburg Dutch, as there is no good reason for it. Actually I think it's fort would be one of the major reasons for Prussia to acquire that region.

You might also consider what to do about the province of Limburg as it was before the Napoleonic war devided by the Netherlands, Prussia, Austria and various small independent regions. Still it is certainly possible, maybe even likely that it ends up Dutch, if only to connect the various Dutch exclaves in the region. There were some enclaves in Belgian Limburg too. If the Netherlands gains (Dutch) Limburg, I think it is likely that it could gain some territory in what is now Belgian Limburg. The land isn't that valuable and was not part of the Austrian Netherlands (but of Liege). I could see it partially ending up Dutch.

The last Dutch exclave would be Zeelandic Flanders, but connecting it to the Netherlands would basicly mean a Dutch Antwerp. Not sure if that would happen. Antwerp is a very big price for Prussia to give away. It probably depends on the war, the Dutch and Prussia role in it and the opinion of the British of both Prussia and the Netherlands. If they consider Prussia a treat, they would probably try to avoid Antwerp to end up in Prussian hands.

Thank you very much. That's the sort of thing that really helps as I can look at maps or read overviews and still miss things like this. I certainly don't mind making Luxembourg Prussian, or the rest of Limburg Dutch, as long as its possible to reflect this on the map. I think its possible to mod the province borders but I've held off trying so far as it gets a bit technical for little old me!

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
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