But by that argument, wouldn't our world be ultra-left wing, ultra communist because we fought the right? We fought an extreme right-wing group during the war, and yes Nazi is the ultimate insult here though it's much over-used. And though now yes most of us have a dislike of anything *too* right wing, there nevertheless still is a right wing. Surely then in this world, there would still be a left wing. Yes I think things that sounded *too* progressive would be viewed with suspition, but having some progression would, in a modern world be the only way for any regime ultimately to survive. As to universal suffrage, we had it after world war I, I think for women it was older than men, but all men and women could vote at some time in their lives. While the establishment might want to control just who the public could choose to vote for, much as I think they do in this world, I would have thought taking it away again would have been a real recipe for disaster. Even the nazis so far as I know let everyone vote, even if you could only vote for one party. Yes I think this world's view of the ideal woman would as you say be a good wife and mother. But what you're describing sounds like a Christian theocracy. As I say by this argument, so far as I can read it, our world should be some kind of leftist rule, where all religion is discouraged, and the mere suggestion that a woman should stay at home would get you shot... figuratively speaking. After we fought the Nazis yes the progression to less racist, less religious societies in the west did speed up, but it took us another 20 years or so for instance to legalise homosexuality. But this is a world where a group of constitutional monarchies beat an aggressive communist Russia, and maybe France and Italy and others. Now in our war with the extreme right wing Nazis, the conservative party were never branded as a Nazi fifth column, why should anything similar happen to the labour party in my world? Well perhaps this is a little more likely given that in the 30s a lot of labour politicians were perhaps border-line communists. But the empires want to unite society, to keep a lasting and stable peace. You can't do that by demonising and crushing about half the population, which it seems to me a world such as you're suggesting would do. Since as I say fighting Nazism didn't make us all rabid leftists, I don't see why fighting communism should make the people of my world rabid rightests. I don't know if I'm getting you wrong somewhere here. But it seems that by your argument in our TL we should have overthrown our monarchy, destroyed all the churches, instituted immediate equal pay, legalized homosexuality and abortion, nationalised all property and goodness knows what else. In our society we generally lean these days a little more to the left. In this world it seems to me, people would just lean a little more to the right. I know you haven't actually said the half of this, it just seems to be what you're implying. And the Nazis were atheists, they wanted to replace God with Hitler. But they didn't do any of the things they did in the name of their lack of religion if you know what I mean, they did them in the belief in the superiority of the German race. After the French revolution, there was some reaction against reform, but for instance when the French Monarchy was put back, they had to accept certain conditions, such as keeping the tricolour and the code Napoleon and the Marseiles sorry I can't spell it. And Charles X's attempt to restore the absolute monarchy resulted in his being forced to flee. I suppose the argument I'm making here is that extremes of anything never work to build a stable society, unless of course you've a holy book to back them up. My own thought is that the ruling party in this world would look something like UKIP. And a lot of crap is spouted about them too by those on the left who can see the writing on the wall. And a party like the Greens would likely be in the same position in my TL as UKIP is in ours. So I think you'd have a UKIP-like party, a party like our conservatives occupying the middle ground, and a party like the lib-dems in labour's position, with actual labour and the greens right out on the frindges. In fact call labour UKIP and the greens the BNP. There's nastiness in all governments, even the so-called land of the free, that liberated the world from Nazi oppression still stooped to perform medical experiments on the citizens of other countries and even its own.