1837 Rebellion succeeds...

I wonder if it have ever been done around here - a success (in a large interpretation) of the 1837 Rebellion in the Canadas - or more precisely, the Rebellions, as there was also a (smaller?) movement in Upper Canada. ATLs, Threads, etc...

Or if it was never ever considered, what would have happened? HOW? US action and alliance? A pyrrhic defeat who force earlier Dominionhood or constitutional rights? More or LESS respects for Canadiens? etc?
 
Most of the Acadians were scattered around the continent by then, Nova Scotia was pretty solidly anglophone. Besides that, Halifax was IIRC still pretty built up at that point, and it's a pretty accessible place for British force projection. Besides that, New Brunswick had just been settled by a bunch of fleeing loyalists the generation before, so doesn't seem like ideal revolutionary materiel.

The Lower Canada rebellions would probably end up just joining the states at that point, and I've got no idea what the francophones would end up doing.
 
To get the rebellion in Upper Canada to succeed you'd need to get the idea of American annexation a lot more popular, since that was the desired endgame and Mackenzie made no illusions about that. The problem is, almost no one in Upper Canada liked that idea. So you'd need a lot more American immigrants, in order to create a Texas analogue. Problem is most Yankees preferred the land further south in Louisiana purchase area and the actual Texas.

Or

You'd need the British to be mind-blowingly stupid in their actions during the reconciliation process. Had the British just squished the rebellion and left the system that started it intact, it is very likely a second rebellion would break out, this time with more popular support. Mackenzie's support, after all, came mostly from people who were fed up with the repressive government in Toronto. If this second rebellion is an actual popular uprising across the colony and not just the small gang fighting like the first one was, then presto bango we have the Republic of Upper Canada.

I can't much speak for the rebellion in Lower Canada as I do not know a lot about it.

Would the Maritimes stay British?

For the foreseeable future. London would address every grievance in the Maritime colonies to prevent what happened in the Canadas from happening out there. But after a century passes the Maritimes would inevitably agitate for independence, and that could lead to getting involved in that dastardly republic if the Americans make an appealing offer.
 
I wonder if it have ever been done around here - a success (in a large interpretation) of the 1837 Rebellion in the Canadas - or more precisely, the Rebellions, as there was also a (smaller?) movement in Upper Canada. ATLs, Threads, etc...

Or if it was never ever considered, what would have happened? HOW? US action and alliance? A pyrrhic defeat who force earlier Dominionhood or constitutional rights? More or LESS respects for Canadiens? etc?

I have worked on and off on such a timeline:

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Maple_Uprising

my take was that the rebelion in UPPER canada actualy amounted to something more then it did, diverting resources and then have butterflies let loose so that you end up with a brief Republic of the United Canadas which then disolve with upper canada becoming the US state of ontario and Lower canada becoming the republic of laurentia.

Feel free to make suggestions.

EDIT: take the timeline with a grain of salt, this is an older version and I've re-worked some of the post-revolution events.
 

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And what of New Caledonia? (ie British Columbia.) And Rupert's Land? Would BNA just stay the same with a Canada-shaped chunk taken out of it?
 
I wonder if it have ever been done around here - a success (in a large interpretation) of the 1837 Rebellion in the Canadas - or more precisely, the Rebellions, as there was also a (smaller?) movement in Upper Canada. ATLs, Threads, etc...

Or if it was never ever considered, what would have happened? HOW? US action and alliance? A pyrrhic defeat who force earlier Dominionhood or constitutional rights? More or LESS respects for Canadiens? etc?

Eventually the Americans take the country. With Manifest Destiny growing and with the Americans taking land off their neighbours every decade I don't see Upper or Lower Canada surviving long on their own.

Look what happened to Mexico!
 
And what of New Caledonia? (ie British Columbia.) And Rupert's Land? Would BNA just stay the same with a Canada-shaped chunk taken out of it?

Ruperts Land has no chance if the British lose control of the Canadas. The area was run from Montreal, after all, and add in the fact the British presence there was limited to a few hundred fur traders, and its likely London will take the lands from the HBC and sell it to Washington. Better to make a few million pounds off it than let it go for nothing.

As for British Columbia, it depends if it can gets its finances in order. If it ends up as too great a money sink the British will likely just sell it to the Americans, over the protests of the ruling elite in the land. Should it manage to get its financial house in order, however, it will remain a territory loyal to the Crown until the Empire ends.
 
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I wonder how long that would poison Anglo American relations for. It might also speed up the civil war, being likely to be free states. And with an earlier civil war and a PO'd UK, perhaps British support for the Rebels?
 
Didn't most of the economic produce from British Columbia at this time sail back to England via Hudson Bay? Not sure the British could hang on to a territory they need to sail round the Cape to connect with...
 
Why would Lower Canada join the US given its Catholic and Francophoneness?

By the 1830s and later, the US is powerful enough it might not have a choice. Britain might intervene, but then again, how much British blood would they want to waste on just the French bit of Canada?
 
Why would Lower Canada join the US given its Catholic and Francophoneness?

I actualy think these 2 might not be the main issues against them joining. Assuming that independance happened following the 1838 uprising under Nelson, article 4 of the constitution removed special rights for the catholic clergy and ensured freedom of religion and article 18 ensured that french and english were to be used in public life (some members of the Patriot Party were irish or englishmen).

Sticking points however are articles 3 & 16 that gave full rights (including voting) to all males irrespective of race so they might have issues with the US use of slaves, even if it was only in some states. that plus other articles were also closer to what we consider today normal but at the time might seem a bit *too* equalitarian for some.
 
Didn't most of the economic produce from British Columbia at this time sail back to England via Hudson Bay? Not sure the British could hang on to a territory they need to sail round the Cape to connect with...

Not much harder sailing to Vancouver than to Melbourne.
 
Settlers in BC are mostly loyal to the crown. The actions taken by James Douglas in regards to Americans have no reason be much different in this BC than in OTLs. After the inevitable end of the Empire all bets are off but in the meantime the ruling elite will fight to remain under the Crown.
 
Cultural and religious;

from what I remember being taught and heard, the clergy's power came from the defeat of the (relatively more) progressive elite of the Patriots, and the clergy (albeit to the their credit, they surely knew that the Empire was just too strong to take on without american allies by example.. it was for me a mix of self interest but also genuine worries for my ancestors and their survival) took the power and intellectual vacuum from their their defeat, starting the Great Noirceur.

Would a victory of the Lower Canada patriots, with consideration on HOW they won, - or forced at least a deal of sort, one way or other - force the clergy to be more humble, and the canadiens society be more liberal and progressive (by 19th century's ideas) in time, less rigid and reactionary? Would the society progress quicker, with some of pre-Quiet Revolution and Quiet Revolution changes coming earlier, maybe around WWII by example?
 
I wonder if it have ever been done around here - a success (in a large interpretation) of the 1837 Rebellion in the Canadas - or more precisely, the Rebellions, as there was also a (smaller?) movement in Upper Canada. ATLs, Threads, etc...

Or if it was never ever considered, what would have happened? HOW? US action and alliance? A pyrrhic defeat who force earlier Dominionhood or constitutional rights? More or LESS respects for Canadiens? etc?

HOW do you get the rebellion to succeed. IIRC, it was a pretty tiny movement, especially, as you say, in Lower Canada.

How it succeeds would matter immensely to the future of the area.
 
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