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Cool stuff, I think that with British mishigan and Wisconsin the 49th parallel would never be made the boarder and they would keep the boarders based on watersheds with the red river being British and the only area that would be negotiated would be Oregon with the British lucky getting the northern 2/3 TTL.

You should definitely start a new thread now that this is turning into a TL because the name of the thread sound more like a WI than a proper TL.

Also I can make maps for you if you pm me the details of the border.
 
Cool stuff, I think that with British mishigan and Wisconsin the 49th parallel would never be made the boarder and they would keep the boarders based on watersheds with the red river being British and the only area that would be negotiated would be Oregon with the British lucky getting the northern 2/3 TTL.

You should definitely start a new thread now that this is turning into a TL because the name of the thread sound more like a WI than a proper TL.

Also I can make maps for you if you pm me the details of the border.

I totally agree with this. It's possible that some other boundary line gets picked, but the watershed boundaries makes a fair amount of sense at this point.

I'm planning on it, once I have some more of the early details fine-tuned and presentable.

And I'll totally take you up on the map stuff.
 
So I did some number crunching, and set up spreadsheets to start more accurately keeping track of the elections and population and such.

Here's an updated breakdown of the Election of 1822:

Presidency (274 electors, 137 required to win)
Federalist - 98
Republican - 140
Democrat - 36

House of Representatives
Federalist - 85
Republican - 111
Democrat - 30

Senate:
Federalist - 15
Republican - 24
Democrat - 9

What we will start to see by 1830, is areas that had previously voted (Democratic-)Republican in the Northeast will start to either go Federalist or Democrat, as the Republican party becomes more and more associated with pro-slavery, while the Democrats become more and more pro-small farmer and pro-infrastructure. Eventually, the Federalists may start to fuse with the Democrats, but part of me thinks keeping a multiparty system alive would be more interesting.

Also note, that Republican Henry Clay only wins the election outright by the narrowest of possible margins. It is likely that in the 1828 election, or in 1834, that the election could get sent to the house of Representatives.

Also, a technical aside: I can't find any rhyme or reason to exactly how congressional districts are broken down. I know originally it was supposed to be per every 30,000, but I know that didn't last. So....for the 1820 and 1822 elections that I've calculated, I am going with a 40,000 per delegate approach, and always rounding down. I may work this issue into the TL, and have some sort of more permanent formula championed by one party or another. Also thinking of possible winner-takes-all vs. by congressional district electoral allocation as a future issue. Dems wanting it by district, Republicans wanting winner-takes-all. Thoughts?
 
So, looking ahead into the 1830s, I have a some questions about Indian Removal:

- ITTL, the Democrats and Republicans split and form separate parties. Most of those who would come up with and support Indian Removal OTL have ended up in the southern Republican Party. The Federalists, IMO, would likely oppose Removal, especially forced removal, especially if they were to look back to the writings of the Founders that had a lot of respect for the native tribes, and some early national documents call for treating the native nations as equals to sovereign European nations. Democrats, as with many things ITTL, are mixed on the subject, but tend to be slightly more aligned with the Federalists (of course, most of the tribes resident in Republican dominated states, so this shouldn't be that surprising.
- ITTL, the 1828 election gets thrown to the House, and we see an analogue to the 1824 election, with the election really boiling down to the Federalist candidate who is narrowly in second place, and the Republican candidate Calhoun. A la 1824, Calhoun is denied the Presidency like Jackson was OTL. The Federalist Candidate won't support removal.
- So what happens instead? Does the issue just get kicked further down the road (possibly becoming THE issue in the 1834 Presidential race?), could we see semi-autonomous "reservations" set up in the South (I'm imagining territory much smaller than what the Tribes actually controlled OTL), or would it be something else entirely?
 
How about the former Virginia capital of Williamsburg? Save for the College of William and Mary's campus, it had been abruptly abandoned when Virginia moved its capital to the slightly more westerly town of Richmond. However; it still had a great many extant buildings the decades-old US government could have refurbished for its own uses and had been a thriving city easily connected to the rest of the former Colonies by both river and road.
 
How about the former Virginia capital of Williamsburg? Save for the College of William and Mary's campus, it had been abruptly abandoned when Virginia moved its capital to the slightly more westerly town of Richmond. However; it still had a great many extant buildings the decades-old US government could have refurbished for its own uses and had been a thriving city easily connected to the rest of the former Colonies by both river and road.

Interesting. I hadn't thought of that and it wasn't brought up earlier to my knowledge. A possibility I suppose, though the TL that will be emerging from this goes in a much different direction.
 
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