1715 Jacobite Rebellion Questions

A query for you, the Earl of Mar was appointed commander of the Jacobite Forces by James III, however, he was quite indecisive and somewhat shit. What I'm wondering is who else amongst the Jacobite supporters could be appointed commander by James and be perhaps a bit more effective?

And how could James get into Scotland/Britain a lot earlier than he did olt, if so what might this change?
 
I doubt it would work for them, no matter how you work it. The now very Protestant United Kingdom will not take kindly for a Catholic King coming back. The Scottish have no rel love for the Jacobites, they only supported them because they where disappointed at the 1689/1707 settlement and wanting to keep the Highland Clan system, which was becoming more and more obsolete. Ireland also never had love for Jacobitism.

I am sure even if they march into England as soon as possible, they be crush. They simply lack support and legitimacy in most of the Kingdom. George and the House of Hanover may have been German, but what matter most was they being Protestant and against France and Spain. (And they have the Dutch and the Austrians to support the Kingdom against the Jacobites.)
 
I doubt it would work for them, no matter how you work it. The now very Protestant United Kingdom will not take kindly for a Catholic King coming back. The Scottish have no rel love for the Jacobites, they only supported them because they where disappointed at the 1689/1707 settlement and wanting to keep the Highland Clan system, which was becoming more and more obsolete. Ireland also never had love for Jacobitism.

I am sure even if they march into England as soon as possible, they be crush. They simply lack support and legitimacy in most of the Kingdom. George and the House of Hanover may have been German, but what matter most was they being Protestant and against France and Spain. (And they have the Dutch and the Austrians to support the Kingdom against the Jacobites.)
Hmm interesting how does one make it so that the Stuart’s had at least some support more than amongst the jacobites
 
Hmm interesting how does one make it so that the Stuart’s had at least some support more than amongst the jacobites

The issue is anti-Jacobites were already much stronger since the Glorious Revolution and grew stronger from that. England's got the money, the manufacturing base, the infrastructure, and the population to dominate any support the Jacobites can assemble in Scotland and Ireland. 1715 and 1745 where the best they could have done in either of those uprisings.

To give them better support and a better chance are better Jacobite pretenders, renounce Catholicism, anti-Freach, worse Orangist/Hannoverian rulers and heirs, and the support of the Royal Navy. In this case, the Old Pretender renounce Catholicism, make himself out to be a Tory political leader, and have old George I look bad. ( Successfully contesting the Hanoverian ascension upon Anne's death so there no need for a rebellion.)

Jacobiteism is such a odd movement, given how many times they tried, and how little genuine support they. (Or Protestants that supported them.)
 
The issue is anti-Jacobites were already much stronger since the Glorious Revolution and grew stronger from that. England's got the money, the manufacturing base, the infrastructure, and the population to dominate any support the Jacobites can assemble in Scotland and Ireland. 1715 and 1745 where the best they could have done in either of those uprisings.

To give them better support and a better chance are better Jacobite pretenders, renounce Catholicism, anti-Freach, worse Orangist/Hannoverian rulers and heirs, and the support of the Royal Navy. In this case, the Old Pretender renounce Catholicism, make himself out to be a Tory political leader, and have old George I look bad. ( Successfully contesting the Hanoverian ascension upon Anne's death so there no need for a rebellion.)

Jacobiteism is such a odd movement, given how many times they tried, and how little genuine support they. (Or Protestants that supported them.)
Interesting you don’t think a political coup just during Anne’s death would’ve worked?
 
Interesting you don’t think a political coup just during Anne’s death would’ve worked?
A coup would definitely be able to work on the death of Anne. From 1688 until Jacobitisms death around the 45 it was the best chance. James had the support of Anne’s Tory Ministry, much of the population in all three kingdoms, and as I have read reasonable support from the military. It’s a matter of acting. As everyone knows most of the Jacobites were indecisive and missed many chances. If James arranges support from Ormonde before Anne’s death and if he marched on London with around 5,000 men a restoration is easily possible.

You could also have the Tory ministers stall the appointment of the Duke of Shrewsbury which severely hurt, but didn’t destroy Jacobite chances. After this, with all the support, James could most certainly remain on the throne if he plays his cards right.
 
A coup would definitely be able to work on the death of Anne. From 1688 until Jacobitisms death around the 45 it was the best chance. James had the support of Anne’s Tory Ministry, much of the population in all three kingdoms, and as I have read reasonable support from the military. It’s a matter of acting. As everyone knows most of the Jacobites were indecisive and missed many chances. If James arranges support from Ormonde before Anne’s death and if he marched on London with around 5,000 men a restoration is easily possible.

You could also have the Tory ministers stall the appointment of the Duke of Shrewsbury which severely hurt, but didn’t destroy Jacobite chances. After this, with all the support, James could most certainly remain on the throne if he plays his cards right.
Interesting so something f along the lines of keeping Shrewsbury abd Somerset busy whilst the Will is amended and the. Proclaimed?
 
Interesting so something f along the lines of keeping Shrewsbury abd Somerset busy whilst the Will is amended and the. Proclaimed?
Basically, it would make it a lot easier to proclaim James unless you persuade Shrewsbury to join the Jacobites, which is also a possibility. Like a lot of other nobles at the time he was very wishy washy about the whole thing and if James is officially proclaimed and in London he’d probably join James.
 
Basically, it would make it a lot easier to proclaim James unless you persuade Shrewsbury to join the Jacobites, which is also a possibility. Like a lot of other nobles at the time he was very wishy washy about the whole thing and if James is officially proclaimed and in London he’d probably join James.
This is very true, I do think Shrewsbury could be turned if promised a good position
 
I recommend the House of Stuart Sequence by Sealion Press. The first volume is named The Year Of The Prince and involves as a POD, the break of a carriage axle causing the Pretender's party to be split up before he embarks to Scotland from France
 
I recommend the House of Stuart Sequence by Sealion Press. The first volume is named The Year Of The Prince and involves as a POD, the break of a carriage axle causing the Pretender's party to be split up before he embarks to Scotland from France
Oh nice that’s 5e one with the 1715 pod,or the 1745 one? As there’s another Stuart alt history done by sea lion press
 
Another question, related to this is, what would change if James II died in 1688, after James III had been born but before the glorious revolution and with Anne a witness for the birth
 
Oh nice that’s 5e one with the 1715 pod,or the 1745 one? As there’s another Stuart alt history done by sea lion press
1745. I didn't even know there was one on the 1715 rebellion.
To answer your second question he would almost certainly be raised as a staunch Anglican regardless of the wishes of his mother or King James II's will
 
1745. I didn't even know there was one on the 1715 rebellion.
To answer your second question he would almost certainly be raised as a staunch Anglican regardless of the wishes of his mother or King James II's will

Ah, sorry it was the 1745 one I had read.

And, alright interesting, would that be interesting to read?
 
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