1492: The year a star fell on Earth
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Please propose names.Wendell said:
Africa: I have not decided yet, but maybe the moroccans are weakened and Songhai manages to survive. Ottoman Egypt would be hard hitted, but christian Ethiopia would survive quite untouched: the copts come back to Egypt?
Americas: The spanish presence is hindered, no Mexico or Incan Empire conquest, we could have strong native american states.
Asia: China would suffer a lot. Migrations to the West?
I have only these others that I took from a Global Warming page. Could anyone provide a bigger one?
This is a close-up of Europe. It can be seen that both Paris and London would be under water with a 100m increase on the sea level
corourke
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I'm most interested in central asia -- what we have is essentially an extension of the Mediterranean stretching all the way into Turkestan. A new maritime silk road, anyone?
But all of our traditional Mediterranean maritime powers are submerged. Venice would have really been in a position to benefit from this extension of the Mediterranean. Who takes its place? Perhaps Spain, seeing an opportunity in the East, completely abandons its American exploration in favor of Mediterranean trade with the Ming (or whatever dynasty emerges from the chaos that China is dealing with right now).
But all of our traditional Mediterranean maritime powers are submerged. Venice would have really been in a position to benefit from this extension of the Mediterranean. Who takes its place? Perhaps Spain, seeing an opportunity in the East, completely abandons its American exploration in favor of Mediterranean trade with the Ming (or whatever dynasty emerges from the chaos that China is dealing with right now).
That's a good point. I was thinking that maybe Venice could exist in their "colonies" in Greece (Morea, Cyprus, Crete, the Cyclades) and Genoa could move to Corsica. But maybe they would be very weakened. The Ottomans could be busy trying to support their assault on Central Europe with their fleet (now that it is possible) and trying to control that new route to central Asia. Would it be feasible for Spain (quite untouched) to seize the new Suez straits? Of course they would have to forget about America.corourke said:
Then we have some english migrating to Spain, Norway and Iceland. Iceland would not be able to keep a bigger population. Could they migrate to Terranova?
What about China? Any ideas?
I noticed in the Word map that around Senegal there would be a big bay, maybe that could attrack more the Songhai to the sea. Could they become a naval power? Perhaps some Berberians pushed south by the spaniards could teach them...
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thru it doesn't show on that map Moast of the Land between the Gulf oa Ababa and the Dead sea is less than 175 feet. meaning that the gulf of Ababa now reaches past the dead sea north to the sea of Galilee [Golan heights]
given a reasonable one foot /year rise Your maps are 1800
Given a meter /year, Your maps are 1600.
Probally some where in the middle.
By 1520 when Cortez invaded Mexico, Cuba was a well established colony with several towns, craftmen, Shops, and even several shelled Streets{use shells for paving} Even if Spain stops sending new people, Cuba would survive.
With the spring tides come the floods,
even with a Meter rise you would still have time to ajust. It would only be a short time before the rise is accepted, and people start thrying to cope. I can see the lord in his Seaside Castle, deciding that the Whole Village will Move. Norwegian Highland Lairds.
And what will this do the Greenland as the rising water lifts the Sea end of the glaicers.
given a reasonable one foot /year rise Your maps are 1800
Given a meter /year, Your maps are 1600.
Probally some where in the middle.
By 1520 when Cortez invaded Mexico, Cuba was a well established colony with several towns, craftmen, Shops, and even several shelled Streets{use shells for paving} Even if Spain stops sending new people, Cuba would survive.
With the spring tides come the floods,
even with a Meter rise you would still have time to ajust. It would only be a short time before the rise is accepted, and people start thrying to cope. I can see the lord in his Seaside Castle, deciding that the Whole Village will Move. Norwegian Highland Lairds.
And what will this do the Greenland as the rising water lifts the Sea end of the glaicers.
How would this sort of event affect to the Ottomans and the Austrians?
The Ottomans are going to loose some lands including Istambul, maybe they could take this as a message from Allah about keeping on the move and advancing further to Hungary and Europe. Venice would disappear, there would be some small territories in Italy that would be absorbed by other powers and some islands around Greece. That would be one less competitor in the Mediterranean, but if they focus in Europe and the new routes to Central Asia, maybe they get more Black sea oriented and less Mediterranean.
On the other hand Austria would be quite untouched except for the lost of Flanders and the consequences of hunger, Black Death or possible wars. I think they would expand north assuming a toughter control of the HRE that could eventualy become an Austrian Empire.
The question about Greenland is interesting, I had assumed for this scenario a sea level increase of one meter/year and an increase in the temperatures due to greenhouse effect in order to make it permanent. So I suppose Greenland could become again gree... New England! A land for those refugees!
Another question I am not sure is the new strategy of Spain. It is clear they would annex Portugal: a weaker neighbour quite damaged by the lost of lands. But would they continue an Atlantic policy? Or turn to the Mediterranean? I am not sure the sea level increase would have allowed them to continue the colonization of Cuba (that would be mostly covered by water), Hispaniola (higher lands, hmmm)... or they would have turned to the Mediterranean trying to get access to the red Sea taking advantage about the weakness of the rest and the Ottomans looking north.
The Ottomans are going to loose some lands including Istambul, maybe they could take this as a message from Allah about keeping on the move and advancing further to Hungary and Europe. Venice would disappear, there would be some small territories in Italy that would be absorbed by other powers and some islands around Greece. That would be one less competitor in the Mediterranean, but if they focus in Europe and the new routes to Central Asia, maybe they get more Black sea oriented and less Mediterranean.
On the other hand Austria would be quite untouched except for the lost of Flanders and the consequences of hunger, Black Death or possible wars. I think they would expand north assuming a toughter control of the HRE that could eventualy become an Austrian Empire.
The question about Greenland is interesting, I had assumed for this scenario a sea level increase of one meter/year and an increase in the temperatures due to greenhouse effect in order to make it permanent. So I suppose Greenland could become again gree... New England! A land for those refugees!
Another question I am not sure is the new strategy of Spain. It is clear they would annex Portugal: a weaker neighbour quite damaged by the lost of lands. But would they continue an Atlantic policy? Or turn to the Mediterranean? I am not sure the sea level increase would have allowed them to continue the colonization of Cuba (that would be mostly covered by water), Hispaniola (higher lands, hmmm)... or they would have turned to the Mediterranean trying to get access to the red Sea taking advantage about the weakness of the rest and the Ottomans looking north.
And a pretty nice place too (apart from the dark winters). Mountains worn down by the claciers, so the peaks look like those in Scandinavia, not like those in the Alps. And there'll initially be a huuuge inland sea taking up much of the interior, but it'll grow smaller and smaller as the land bounces back from the pressure of all that ice.Condottiero said:
Both the Inca and the Aztec have a very good chance of coming out of this without losing too many people or too much land. If the asteriod arrives in 1500-ish before Cortez, we could have an Ican state that could surivive the smallpox epidemic and be at pre-plauge population by 1650-ish.
Does anyone know where could I find a map of Middle East after an increase of 100m in the sealevel?
Stalker
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Well concerning situation in East Europe. By 1570 an interesting situation may have arisen here.
1) The deluge will make Livonia surrender to the troops of Moscovian czar Ivan IV The Terrible thus strengthening his position on the Baltic coast, and this may make Lithuania be tractable with the Czardom of Moscow concerning the lands of Polotsk.
2) Please, remember that flooded lands of Northern Germany will make protestants who mostly populate them seek shelter in catholic lands or in Sweden. Lutheranism on the continent will suffer huge defeat. These people, however, may flee to Poland where in this very period protestantism is very strong. In 1572 King Sigizmund of Poland dies (the last of Jagellon dynasty). Henry (III) of France is not a favourite challenger for the throne of Poland. Now the fight is between two giants: the son of Emperor of Holy Roman Empire and Theodor, the son of Ivan IV The Terrible. In actual history, Henry of France won the election because Polish nobility wanted a Catholic king but here France is weakened, Lithanian part of the Sejm (Parliament) wants the orthodoxal king who would be of the same faith with them, part of Polish nobility is in hesitation because Poland is "infected" by protestantism very strongly, moreover, having access to Baltic trade routs, Ivan IV has now gold to "buy" votes. So, here his son Theodor may be elected as the king of Poland. Ivan may go farther and, himself, conclude marriage with Elisabeth of England thus securing sea trade in Baltic and North Seas. England desperately needs resources of Moscovia, Moscovia desperately needs English naval and metallurgic technologies. How Anglo-Moscovian Union may affect further history of Europe?
All depicted above is not a fiction at all, these trends existed in Actual History but have never been realised. The deluge may put them on top.
1) The deluge will make Livonia surrender to the troops of Moscovian czar Ivan IV The Terrible thus strengthening his position on the Baltic coast, and this may make Lithuania be tractable with the Czardom of Moscow concerning the lands of Polotsk.
2) Please, remember that flooded lands of Northern Germany will make protestants who mostly populate them seek shelter in catholic lands or in Sweden. Lutheranism on the continent will suffer huge defeat. These people, however, may flee to Poland where in this very period protestantism is very strong. In 1572 King Sigizmund of Poland dies (the last of Jagellon dynasty). Henry (III) of France is not a favourite challenger for the throne of Poland. Now the fight is between two giants: the son of Emperor of Holy Roman Empire and Theodor, the son of Ivan IV The Terrible. In actual history, Henry of France won the election because Polish nobility wanted a Catholic king but here France is weakened, Lithanian part of the Sejm (Parliament) wants the orthodoxal king who would be of the same faith with them, part of Polish nobility is in hesitation because Poland is "infected" by protestantism very strongly, moreover, having access to Baltic trade routs, Ivan IV has now gold to "buy" votes. So, here his son Theodor may be elected as the king of Poland. Ivan may go farther and, himself, conclude marriage with Elisabeth of England thus securing sea trade in Baltic and North Seas. England desperately needs resources of Moscovia, Moscovia desperately needs English naval and metallurgic technologies. How Anglo-Moscovian Union may affect further history of Europe?
All depicted above is not a fiction at all, these trends existed in Actual History but have never been realised. The deluge may put them on top.