10th June 1688 Mary of Modena Gives birth to another daughter of James II

One of the sparks of the Glorious revolution was the fear surrounding the birth of the man who became the old pretender. Essentially there was a fear surrounding the idea of a male catholic heir to the throne. This fear, at least partially led to the glorious revolution against James that same year. So basically, what if the day the old pretender was born, a girl had been born instead? How long will the rest of the government tolerate James without a direct male catholic heir to frighten them?
 
Mary of Modena

Interesting..From what I recall of that period the birth of a healthy son did cause quite a bit of fear among the protestant factions. They may then insist that this princess be married to a Protestant. My feeling is that without a son, the Glorious Revolution may never have happened and James may have kept his throne.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
Interesting..From what I recall of that period the birth of a healthy son did cause quite a bit of fear among the protestant factions. They may then insist that this princess be married to a Protestant. My feeling is that without a son, the Glorious Revolution may never have happened and James may have kept his throne.

INteresting whom would be a acceptable match?
 
Mary of Modena

It depends on when James II dies. I believe that he was at least 50 or older when the Old Pretender was born. If he dies relatively early, William of Orange could end up becoming a possible regent and have a strong influence on this matter. I can't see Anne or her husband having much influence..
 
INteresting whom would be a acceptable match?

Well, I think it depends on how the English foreign policy would be going by then. Assuming that James II keeps his throne and both him and Mary II die at the time they did IOTL, then Anne would be James' successor in 1701 when his third daughter (Henrietta? Louisa?) would be only 13 years old. It would be Anne's decision who would be the husband of her sister.

If James keeps his throne, how would be the English involvement in the Grand Alliance War? There would be consequences for the initial years of the War of the Spanish Succession?

Of course, by 1701 James might have already educated her daughter as a Catholic, and even maybe sent her to a Catholic relative of Mary of Modena to be married into the "true faith". But assuming that she stays in England, her marriage would probably depend on who would be more interesting to Anne. Maybe some ally in a war against France (if England still gets involved in the war)? Or some other Oldenburg relative of Anne's husband?
 

maverick

Banned
Two ideas:

1. This Daughter marries a Catholic Prince, maybe from Southern Germany, Italy (or God Forbid, a Bourbon!), despite Anne's influence or because Anne is death or exiled or whatever. This could theoretically lead to a later Glorious Revolution against the idea of a Foreign Papist Royal House taking the throne;

2. The Daughter marries a German Prince or an English Nobleman, Protestant in either case, and a new Royal House takes over a firmly protestant throne;

But who could it be?

Anyone got any idea on the most likely prospects around 1701-1710?
 
Anyone got any idea on the most likely prospects around 1701-1710?

For Catholic candidates, there are some interesting names available.

If James had decided for a completely pro-French policy:
Philip, Duke of Anjou, and IOTL Philip V of Spain, or his brother Charles, duke of Berry;

If he had followed a more neutral or even anti-French path:
John V of Portugal
Archduke Charles of Austria (later Emperor Charles VI)
 
What about Charles Phillip III Elector of the Palatinate he was a Protestant right.....:)

No, he was actually Catholic, he was even a cleric when young. But he could be a Catholic candidate if his first wife still dies.

Here some possible Protestant candidates:
William I of Prussia
The IOTL George II of Great Britain
Charles XII of Sweden
Frederick William of Mecklenburg
John William Friso, Prince of Orange
 

maverick

Banned
For Catholic candidates, there are some interesting names available.

If James had decided for a completely pro-French policy:
Philip, Duke of Anjou, and IOTL Philip V of Spain, or his brother Charles, duke of Berry;

If he had followed a more neutral or even anti-French path:
John V of Portugal
Archduke Charles of Austria (later Emperor Charles VI)

Interesting choices, and either one could lead to a revolution in order to avoid becoming part of Austria or a French satellite.

William I of Prussia
The IOTL George II of Great Britain
Charles XII of Sweden
Frederick William of Mecklenburg
John William Friso, Prince of Orange

Could these led to personal unions with Mecklenburg, Sweden or Prussia? Or maybe the Netherlands.
 
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