1066: the year Rome fell

What if Robert I Drengot of Capua, along with the Norman Sicilians had managed to conquer Rome in 1066? IOTL they tried but were beaten back. what if they were successful, and in 1066 the Normans captured Rome?

EDIT: also, if you want, they lost at Hastings so are not focused on England, and spend more time focusing on the Mediterranean.
 
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What if Robert I Drengot of Capua, along with the Norman Sicilians had managed to conquer Rome in 1066? IOTL they tried but were beaten back. what if they were successful, and in 1066 the Normans captured Rome?

EDIT: also, if you want, they lost at Hastings so are not focused on England, and spend more time focusing on the Mediterranean.

The edit ruined it a bit for you. They´re both named norman but they aren´t the same thing:cool:

An honest mistake. But you could make no William the Conquerer scenario additionally just so that noone will remember and talk about the Normans of France.

But usually it´s better to only add second pods later so that one can focus more on the one you´re already running.
 
The edit ruined it a bit for you. They´re both named norman but they aren´t the same thing:cool:

An honest mistake. But you could make no William the Conquerer scenario additionally just so that noone will remember and talk about the Normans of France.

But usually it´s better to only add second pods later so that one can focus more on the one you´re already running.


wait, so there were two groups of Normans? :confused: I thought the Normans from Normandy were the ones who invaded Sicily and tried to take Rome. was there a second group of Normans?
 
Actually, there were two different batches of Normans, or families, rather. In the North you had William, and in the south you had the Hauteville brothers. This isn't to say they weren't occasionally in contact or anything. It would make any sort of coordinated effort extremely difficult, though.
 
now I'm even more confused....:p

but I thought that people here liked the Normans.. the possibilities with a Norman Rome would be very interesting. if they were Normans at all.
I think the Normans are the coolest thing this side of Jupiter. Unfortunately, it would probably cause a backlash against them, as the rest of Christendom mobilizes under the Pope to retake Rome.
Actually, there were two different batches of Normans, or families, rather. In the North you had William, and in the south you had the Hauteville brothers. This isn't to say they weren't occasionally in contact or anything. It would make any sort of coordinated effort extremely difficult, though.
Actually, there was a sustained, friendly contact between the two Norman kingdoms. Many noble families on one island held estates on the other.
 
I think the Normans are the coolest thing this side of Jupiter. Unfortunately, it would probably cause a backlash against them, as the rest of Christendom mobilizes under the Pope to retake Rome.


hmm... that might be a problem. maybe the Normans make a deal with the Pope, where he has supreme authority, but the Norman emperors (kings) rule Rome. that would still lead to excommunication and a probably war though.
 
hmm... that might be a problem. maybe the Normans make a deal with the Pope, where he has supreme authority, but the Norman emperors (kings) rule Rome. that would still lead to excommunication and a probably war though.
At this point, they are still quite divided. It wasn't until the reign of Roger II that they were united under a King. There is a possibility that the hinterlands of Latium would be carved up into Norman fiefs, but I don't think they could have sustained political control over Rome. Influence, yes. Coltrol, not yet.
 
At this point, they are still quite divided. It wasn't until the reign of Roger II that they were united under a King. There is a possibility that the hinterlands of Latium would be carved up into Norman fiefs, but I don't think they could have sustained political control over Rome. Influence, yes. Coltrol, not yet.

what about after Roger II's unification?
 
what about after Roger II's unification?
Still a possibility, but he would need to have both the Pope and Holy Roman Empire on his side. Know his diplomatic acumen, he could pull it off...if he anted to. I'll look up some possible dates and get back to you.

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BTW, here is some material I have written on the Italo-Normans:

A Hauteville Pope

Very rough draft

The Hauteville Empire (1.0)

Decent TL, good discussion

The Hauteville Empire (2.0)

Revised/Expanded version of above TL

Stories from the Hauteville Empire

A few short descriptive stories from above TL

Norman Egypt

Most recent of TLs, focusing on a Norman conquest of Egypt
 
I'm just curious, but would this be just a raid, or an actual occupation? Because they did in fact briefly take Rome in 1084 (sacking the hell out of it in the process), at the bequest of their "ally" the current pope (whose name escapes me).
 
wait, so there were two groups of Normans? :confused: I thought the Normans from Normandy were the ones who invaded Sicily and tried to take Rome. was there a second group of Normans?

Well, if you take a look at the wiki - or any detailed source, for that matter - you can see that although the Normans were indeed based in Normandy after having conquered it in the tenth century, they were establishing enclaves all over Europe from that point on. Probably something to do with them originally being Vikings, another group of people at the same time who tended to go around the place, conquering what they could...
 
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