a Valkyrie Rises Over Europe, a Alternate Story of the Cold War

[King of the Uzbeks]

Do I sense a tripolar Cold War?? You maniac, this is a 1984 TL in disguise isn't it??

Quibble: If you're referring to Ho Chi Minh by one name it should be Ho and not Minh. Asiatic surnames and all that.

I'm imagining them being like China. They'll be Powerful, Facist-ish but not allied with the Riech.

 

[Kaiser K]

Alaska?


??

Alaska will be admitted soon enough, The admission of Hawaii was a compromise on Stassen's end to get the Democrats to agree to the annexation and admission of Iceland

Neat - the USA sides with Uncle Ho to oppose the global Fascist threat! This must have many on the American Right screaming bloody murder.

One slight mistake - test models of what? M-16s? It's not listed.

I can imagine the American Right at this point is fucking annoyed to all hell and back. Considering the United States at this point and time (1955-56ish) is formally allied to not only just Uncle Ho. But what's left of the Soviet Union as well. And is actively endorsing a policy of support for socialist and communist regimes against any Fascist threats. But as Harold Stassen would say here. "Anyone who is a enemy of Fascism is a friend of Uncle Sam's"

Oh yes. I just realized that slight mistake. The US sent test models of their adaption of the Russian RPG to Ho for combat test runs. I meant to include it in their but I guess I forgot with all the editing and searching on Google for pictures I had to do. Let me go fix that.

 

[Kaiser K]

I'm imagining them being like China. They'll be Powerful, Facist-ish but not allied with the Reich.

You pretty much just described Egypt in a nutshell. They are out for their own interests. Preferring to play the Germans and Americans off of each other while they take their time spreading their influence and control. Forging their own destiny; perhaps fittingly one of the key mantras of the Pan-Arabist doctrine. While they have no desire to allied with the Reich. the Germans are of course in their minds "morally stronger" and superior over the evil imperialist and colonialist West. and those German rifles are just too damn good to pass up.

But pretty much in a nutshell. Egypt is looking out for it's own interests. And it's going to do whatever it needs to increase their influence. protect their local interests and secure their regional power as a rich, powerful and self reliant nation of common peoples. Free of influence and control from outside powers and petty ideological struggles.

 

[Historyman 14]

Will America get it Vietnam war early?

How are the Germans dealing with Nam?

 

[Kaiser K]

Will America get it Vietnam war early?

How are the Germans dealing with Nam?

Tsk tsk. Don't make assumptions too early. Do you expect me to tell you everything?

As for the Germans. Nam is just a bit out of the way for them to be brutally honest. They don't have much power projection over in East Asia, so it is fairly difficult for them to really affect anything going on over there. but the Reich is offering Diem and his gang of jackals what token support they can provide. Time will tell if it is enough (or whether it will even effect) Diem's fight to overcome Uncle Ho and the United States and reunite Vietnam under his banner.

 

[Divergent54]

With Greenland and Iceland part of the USA, there might be a push for Newfoundland to be part of the US , you know, so we can surround Canada.

 

[Kaiser K]

With Greenland and Iceland part of the USA, there might be a push for Newfoundland to be part of the US , you know, so we can surround Canada.

Newfoundland will have been incorporated into Canada by the time of Iceland's formal admission into the Union. But nice try .

I think a potential 52 States could be enough for the US at this point considering everything however

 

[Tom Colton]

Or you could just be reading way too much into it. . However. When you do look at the situation on the ground. The Non-Aligned Movement and the possibility that it could have potentially greater political influence on world politics as a whole. Especially with a rapidly growing and increasingly influential regional power like the United Arab Republic as it's leader instead of Yugoslavia. Could have a significantly greater impact on the Cold War as a whole then the Yugoslavs and the NAM did in OTL. Possibly throwing a bit of a interesting monkey wrench into the whole situation. But it's certainly no 1984... (Well... yet. the Nazis still got a chance to fuck things up if they so desire.. )


As for Ho Chi Minh's name... *sigh* Wow.. that is entirely my bad. I always forget about that difference in surname usage between Asia and the rest of the world. It's confusing to remember sometimes when I am working off American material on things and forget about the differences in locale. Through that's also coupled with the fact that reading the word Ho every five lines when talking about Vietnam makes me snicker a lot

Yeah, I would imagine the UAR, although enabled and empowered by the Nazi movement, doesn't exactly align to the very German (or "Aryan")-centric Nazi doctrine, especially considering that Nazi racial hierarchy put the Arabs right next to the Jews - although that little factoid was left out of Arabic translations of Mein Kampf. Arabic Yugoslavia on steroids might be an even more destructive version of the Sino-Soviet split here.

Don't worry about it, we all make grammatical and linguistic errors around here, and people tend to call Ngo Dinh Diem "Diem" instead of "Ngo", so it's understandable.

 

[pieman97405]

I think a potential 52 States could be enough for the US at this point considering everything however

Or 53 if Greenland can get enough people in it. Or will it be lumped into Iceland?

 

[Historyman 14]

How is Italy?

This would look great in Hetalia.

 

[Kaiser K]

Yeah, I would imagine the UAR, although enabled and empowered by the Nazi movement, doesn't exactly align to the very German (or "Aryan")-centric Nazi doctrine, especially considering that Nazi racial hierarchy put the Arabs right next to the Jews - although that little factoid was left out of Arabic translations of Mein Kampf. Arabic Yugoslavia on steroids might be an even more destructive version of the Sino-Soviet split here.

Don't worry about it, we all make grammatical and linguistic errors around here, and people tend to call Ngo Dinh Diem "Diem" instead of "Ngo", so it's understandable.

While I think you might be just slightly jumping the gun with the comparison to the Sino-Soviet split here. You're pretty much on the proverbial dollar regarding the fact the UAR itself across the board. While very much a nationalistic right-wing dictatorship. Doesn't really align all that well to the very much Aryan-centric doctrine of the Nazis. (Egypt would probably align more on the spectrum with Italy then anyone else in Europe. to be honest). and the UAR and the Germans seemingly have completely differing interests and goals. Thus meaning the relationship between the two can be strange looking at first glance.

However.. If you look closely at the political relationship here between the Reich and the UAR (even if we discount the Reich's less then positive opinion of the Egyptians and Arabs racially) It is pretty much entirely based around mutual benefit. Beneficial for both Cairo and Berlin (Not unlike many relationships of the OTL Cold War) And thus it works out for both parties extremely well. the UAR gets weapons. cash. etc. and the Germans essentially get free unlimited access into the entirety of the Middle East (and some of it's resources to boot) and they also happen to get one over on the United States and the entirety of ACT in the process. It's a pretty simple relationship. Win-win for both parties

Or 53 if Greenland can get enough people in it. Or will it be lumped into Iceland?

Well. Greenland at this point has just been annexed as a territory. It may get admitted as it's state down the line, lumped into Iceland. Or get the Guam treatment. It all depends on how things proceed with the region.

How is Italy?

This would look great in Hetalia.

How is Italy you ask? That's a good question, fascinating in fact. I believe we should go ask Mr. I'll make the trains run on time.

In all honesty. Italy is doing good at this point. of course Mussolini and gang are playing second fiddle to the obviously more powerful Reich, Something I am sure they are not too happy with.. But Italy does have her own little mini-Empire in Europe to play with. So all things considered I suppose things are going good for Italy at this point.

 

[Kaiser K]

And here is a map of the world situation at the turn of the New Year of 1956

 

[Divergent54]

Wouldn't the 'stans declare independent right now with the near fall of the Soviet Union?

 

[Kaiser K]

Wouldn't the 'stans declare independent right now with the near fall of the Soviet Union?

The Stans have a loosely organized Anti-Soviet independence movement that aims for the independence of a Unified Turkestan from the USSR (There are also Anti-Soviet republicanists that aim to create a Russian republican and overthrow the Communists). But American support is keeping the Soviet Union afloat at the moment.

 

[Historyman 14]

How is Iran?

 

[Kaiser K]

How is Iran?

Well, Iran is closely aligned to the British and Americans (as OTL), and overall is doing somewhat fine at the moment. But still dominated by Western influence. Foreign Policy wise. Tehran is most particularly concerned with the growing power of Egypt/the United Arab Republic. Who are quickly becoming in their eyes. A extremely dangerous threat in the region.

The Iranians also have to deal with sharing a direct border with the Reich (via the Reichkommissariat Kaukasus). So there's that little bit of fun.

 

[Historyman 14]

Well, Iran is closely aligned to the British and Americans (as OTL), and overall is doing somewhat fine at the moment. But still dominated by Western influence. Foreign Policy wise. Tehran is most particularly concerned with the growing power of Egypt/the United Arab Republic. Who are quickly becoming in their eyes. A extremely dangerous threat in the region.

The Iranians also have to deal with sharing a direct border with the Reich (via the Reichkommissariat Kaukasus). So there's that little bit of fun.

I can see some nice International incidents from the border.

 

[FleetMac]

Nice update, Kaiser! I'm liking how the UAR is shaping up as a possible counter-balance between the USA and the Nazis. Also, I like what you did with McNamara (demoted upwards, as far away from the DoD as possible...nice ). I do have to lament the state of the Icelandic language, which I really hope doesn't die out (perhaps the state makes it co-official with English, a la Hawaiian for Hawaii or Spanish for New Mexico?). And I gotta wonder if Canada and Australia/New Zealand, while remaining part of the Commonwealth and/or Democratic powers, wouldn't be pushing for more freedom from the mother country (again, like OTL)?

 

[Kaiser K]

I can see some nice International incidents from the border.

Oh? what that's you're Majesty? No no.. everything is fine. The SS was just conducting some war games.... That is all..

Nice update, Kaiser! I'm liking how the UAR is shaping up as a possible counter-balance between the USA and the Nazis. Also, I like what you did with McNamara (demoted upwards, as far away from the DoD as possible...nice ). I do have to lament the state of the Icelandic language, which I really hope doesn't die out (perhaps the state makes it co-official with English, a la Hawaiian for Hawaii or Spanish for New Mexico?). And I gotta wonder if Canada and Australia/New Zealand, while remaining part of the Commonwealth and/or Democratic powers, wouldn't be pushing for more freedom from the mother country (again, like OTL)?

Thanks Fleet. I appreciate the compliments regarding the update. And indeed. I feel that the UAR (or Greater Egypt.. as some of it's detractors may call it) Is really shaping up to be a interesting Wild Card within the grander scheme of the complicated mess that is Cold War politics. Especially when a certain Egyptian Colonel finally takes the helm of this ever growing power

As for ole Mac.. You did say get McNamara as far away from the DoD as possible. Those were you're exact words. And Iceland is pretty far away from the DoD. I was just doing what you told me to do But I hopefully wouldn't worry about the Icelandic language. Considering the Icelandic state government will make it co-official alongside English.

As for Canada and Australia/New Zealand. I would imagine the issue will come up soon enough as per OTL. The countries in question have just been occupied pretty heavily in the TL so far. And nothing has caused the issue to come up between the members of the Commonwealth and London just yet.

 

[FleetMac]

Thanks Fleet. I appreciate the compliments regarding the update. And indeed. I feel that the UAR (or Greater Egypt.. as some of it's detractors may call it) Is really shaping up to be a interesting Wild Card within the grander scheme of the complicated mess that is Cold War politics. Especially when a certain Egyptian Colonel finally takes the helm of this ever growing power

"Greater Egypt" seems like the de-facto way of looking at it; they're certainly more powerful than Palestine or Syria by comparison, after all. And the fact that they A) have a ton of oil nearby, and B) sit next to the Suez Canal, both mean they can punch above their weight even as it is on the world stage...should prove Chinese-interesting, to say the least .

As for ole Mac.. You did say get McNamara as far away from the DoD as possible. Those were you're exact words. And Iceland is pretty far away from the DoD. I was just doing what you told me to do But I hopefully wouldn't worry about the Icelandic language. Considering the Icelandic state government will make it co-official alongside English.

Hey, I merely suggested that this dweeby, knowitall, almost-sociopathic blowhard fade into well-deserved obscurity (either that, or meet a nasty and short fate). It's your tale, you get to say what happens at the end of the day . And making Icelandic co-official IMO would help soothe some ruffled feathers amongst the Native Icelanders (as it is in OTL, Icelanders seem to be quite knowledgeable about English without forsaking their own tongue). And as a linguist, I absolutely love that a speech as long-lasting, pretty-sounding and unique as Icelandic could survive even if populated largely by outsiders multiple times throughout their history (Danish isn't that much closer to Icelandic than English in terms of grammar and such, after all).

As for Canada and Australia/New Zealand. I would imagine the issue will come up soon enough as per OTL. The countries in question have just been occupied pretty heavily in the TL so far. And nothing has caused the issue to come up between the members of the Commonwealth and London just yet.

Fair enough. I would say that the stage for Canadian and Australian nationalism (or something close to it) was really set by World War I, so I think a drawing-away from Britain is still bound to happen. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting they break away from the Commonwealth or renounce the Crown as Head of State, but that they will start taking their cues from London less and less as time goes on.