a Valkyrie Rises Over Europe, a Alternate Story of the Cold War

Well for one thing, Manhattan going ahead and Berlin receiving instant sunshine slightly defeats the purpose of what I am going here for, and that is Nazi victory. :p

But I mentioned in the update that political pressure at home and a extremely war weary public (especially in the US, who had dealt with it's real enemy, Japan, already, and only got involved against Germany after the War against Japan was over), Truman and Atlee (or Churchill), lost the political capital to continue the War against the Germans.

and even if the US and Britain didn't end the War, it would still be quite some time before they had the forces needed to invade the Reich's "Fortress Europe", even with Nukes (and I imagine the Manhattan Project was delayed ITTL due to a more Neutral US, no need for it until Pearl Harbor is attacked maybe) the Campaign in Europe here would be extremely costly in body count, I can easily see the White House and the British looking at the situation and deciding it wasn't worth the body count.

I think you need either a bit more specific way to delay Manhatten/Tube Alloys or some way of Germany getting the bomb at about the same time.

Body count doesn't matter if you are going to glass the Reich, after all.

Granted the above would be hopelessly difficult in OTL, but you can fudge it!

How about German intelligence turning the Soviet agents in Manhatten and allowing Germany to go full speed with a bomb, so we get an early MAD situation? It's highly dubious, but not impossible.
 
I think you need either a bit more specific way to delay Manhatten/Tube Alloys or some way of Germany getting the bomb at about the same time.

Body count doesn't matter if you are going to glass the Reich, after all.

Granted the above would be hopelessly difficult in OTL, but you can fudge it!

How about German intelligence turning the Soviet agents in Manhatten and allowing Germany to go full speed with a bomb, so we get an early MAD situation? It's highly dubious, but not impossible.


I think preventing the US and UK from getting the Bomb would be a easier task then the Reich getting the Bomb somehow, certainly, maybe a scientist makes a miscalculation, and the Bomb is delayed by some time so that it becomes a non-factor until after the War, and of course by that point the Reich could be getting close to creating their own Bomb in the first years after the end of the War.
 

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Well for one thing, Manhattan going ahead and Berlin receiving instant sunshine slightly defeats the purpose of what I am going here for, and that is Nazi victory. :p

But I mentioned in the update that political pressure at home and a extremely war weary public (especially in the US, who had dealt with it's real enemy, Japan, already, and only got involved against Germany after the War against Japan was over), Truman and Atlee (or Churchill), lost the political capital to continue the War against the Germans.

and even if the US and Britain didn't end the War, it would still be quite some time before they had the forces needed to invade the Reich's "Fortress Europe", even with Nukes (and I imagine the Manhattan Project was delayed ITTL due to a more Neutral US, no need for it until Pearl Harbor is attacked maybe) the Campaign in Europe here would be extremely costly in body count, I can easily see the White House and the British looking at the situation and deciding it wasn't worth the body count.


There are a couple reasons that Manhattan would be less of a war winner that is sometimes thought. One is that the leadership has to be willing to surrender, something that the Reich clearly demonstrated it wouldn't do, even when every major city in the country was turned to gravel and enemy forces were literally on the ground. The other, in ATL as depicted, is that the Luftwaffe didn't bomb the UK, particularly didn't bomb civilian targets in Britain. Using a nuclear weapon, given the way that the ATL world is depicted, would be an almost unforgivable act.

This isn't OTL WW II, it isn't AANW's ATL (although I did get a shout out :)) it is a T/L where the Reich more or less treated the UK as mind over matter, they don't mind, because from the war's perspective, they don't matter. Europe is under utter Reich control, with all the horrors that entails, but the UK is pretty much being ignored (OTL Fuhrer Order 17 seems to have been expanded and followed). They attack and the Reich reacts against the military forces, period. No Coventry, no major bombing of London, or Liverpool or Plymouth. That sort of war would make it pretty difficult to justify Harris' Bomber Command firebombing offensive, much less nuking Berlin.
 
There are a couple reasons that Manhattan would be less of a war winner that is sometimes thought. One is that the leadership has to be willing to surrender, something that the Reich clearly demonstrated it wouldn't do, even when every major city in the country was turned to gravel and enemy forces were literally on the ground. The other, in ATL as depicted, is that the Luftwaffe didn't bomb the UK, particularly didn't bomb civilian targets in Britain. Using a nuclear weapon, given the way that the ATL world is depicted, would be an almost unforgivable act.

This isn't OTL WW II, it isn't AANW's ATL (although I did get a shout out :)) it is a T/L where the Reich more or less treated the UK as mind over matter, they don't mind, because from the war's perspective, they don't matter. Europe is under utter Reich control, with all the horrors that entails, but the UK is pretty much being ignored (OTL Fuhrer Order 17 seems to have been expanded and followed). They attack and the Reich reacts against the military forces, period. No Coventry, no major bombing of London, or Liverpool or Plymouth. That sort of war would make it pretty difficult to justify Harris' Bomber Command firebombing offensive, much less nuking Berlin.

Indeed, even if the Allies have functioning Nuclear Weapons to use against the Reich come 1946-1947, the Germans aren't going to surrender, and the Allies will only have so many bombs to use, which means a invasion of Reich controlled Europe would have to eventually be undertaken to finish Germany off, and that in and itself is a tall order, OTL Operation Overlord itself was a bloody slog even when facing a German Army that was battered, beaten, under threat by the ever advancing Soviet Army from the East and who's infrastructure and industry was beginning to collapse underneath itself due to the intense and destructive Allied Bombing Campaigns, and even then the Germans managed to make the Allies bleed for every inch of ground they gained, now instead of a battered and worn out German Army, here we have a fresh, well equipped and strong veteran German Army fresh off victory in the Eastern Front, free of constraints from the East, a German Army, outside of garrison units left in the East to deal with Guerilla's and Partisans in European Russia, that is able to turn it's full attention to the West, and not only that, instead of a Luftwaffe that was effectively grounded as the Allies developed air dominance, here we have a stronger, less battered and more capable Luftwaffe with complete dominance of the Skies over Europe ready to support the German Army, If Overlord was tough in OTL, invading the Reich's "Fortress Europe" would be a slog that would make everything that had happened previously in the War uncomparable to the blood that would be spilled in a invasion of Europe. both Allied and German, it wouldn't be surprising if Allied Leaders thought the costs were just too high, especially with increasing political pressure from war-weary populaces.

and as you mentioned, justifying just outright nuking the Germans would be practically impossible, as here we have a Luftwaffe that for the most part has behaved within the rules of War and only acted against the RAF, (at least towards the Western Allies), it's hard to justify Harris' and the Bomber Command's tactics and firebombing of innocent German civilians and cities when the Germans themselves were not even low enough to do such a thing to the UK, and then just outright nuking the Germans would even be a harder thing to justify, practically impossible, considering the actions of the German High Command and the fact nothing lie the OTL Blitz and the bombings of Major British cities happened, the Allies practically sit at a crossroads with very limited options, and the existing options on the table involve either committing heinous and barbaric acts of Bombing against Civilians that (as far as the Western Allies are largely aware off, considering that much of the Reich's actions in the East would be hard to find out about at this point) are lower then anything the Germans themselves have done, or drench all of Europe in blood in a possible fruitless attempt at invading the continent that may never even come to be. considering the Reich effectively holds all the cards in this Timeline, while the Allies have effectively nothing, any attack can only be justified against the Reich's military forces, and especially as the continuing unpopularity of the War grows as it gets dragged on with minimal to no gains, the Allies and their leadership effectively get boxed in with their options.


On another note, I'm actually surprised you noticed the fact of OTL Fuhrer Order 17, that order did serve as the basis for the Reich's actions in the West in this timeline. nice catch CalBear.
 
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Here is a map of the world after the signing of the Treaty of Geneva.

in the next update, I will talk about the restructuring of the New European Order, before turning attention West to delve in deeper to politics in the West.

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Ok...htf does Japan still own Manchuria and Korea????

And I would expect, with Germany controlling Europe, all of Africa being run by the Allies.

Looking at that map, Germany still has problems. Like the fact the allies control 90%+ of the worlds natural resources.
 
This isn't OTL WW II, it isn't AANW's ATL (although I did get a shout out :)) it is a T/L where the Reich more or less treated the UK as mind over matter, they don't mind, because from the war's perspective, they don't matter. Europe is under utter Reich control, with all the horrors that entails, but the UK is pretty much being ignored (OTL Fuhrer Order 17 seems to have been expanded and followed). They attack and the Reich reacts against the military forces, period. No Coventry, no major bombing of London, or Liverpool or Plymouth. That sort of war would make it pretty difficult to justify Harris' Bomber Command firebombing offensive, much less nuking Berlin.
Question: How about the US's firebombing of Japan? Were those justified by the German bombing campaigns or did the US just use Pearl Harbour and Japan's general nastiness to justify that?

I'm not being anti-US, I just want to know. :)
 
Ok...htf does Japan still own Manchuria and Korea????

And I would expect, with Germany controlling Europe, all of Africa being run by the Allies.

Looking at that map, Germany still has problems. Like the fact the allies control 90%+ of the worlds natural resources.


Japan doesn't own Manchuria and Korea, Japan doesn't even control their own isles at this point, as that's actually US Blue...
 

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Question: How about the US's firebombing of Japan? Were those justified by the German bombing campaigns or did the US just use Pearl Harbour and Japan's general nastiness to justify that?

I'm not being anti-US, I just want to know. :)

Interesting question.

The U.S. did a lot of... debatable things in the war against Japan, starting almost from the very start when it declared unrestricted submarine warfare would be U.S. policy. It was a great tactic, and made sense when fighting an Island Empire, but was a bit disingenuous when DC had been screaming about the Reich doing the same thing for better than two years.

Maybe the OP will expand on the question.

BTW: to the OP, a legend for that map would be most helpful.
 
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Chapter 2
The New European Order, Restructuring of the European Continent under Axis domination.

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Official State Issued Portrait of Alfred Rosenburg, Reichsminister of the Occupied Eastern Territories and one of the orchestrators of the new European Order

The Victory of the Greater German Reich in the Second Great War was a War that certainly would change history forever, it cemented the German Reich's hegemony on the European continent and also cemented the German's as one of the two main Superpowers of the Earth alongside the United States of America, the drastic restructuring of Europe during and after the end of the War was all according to the plans Hitler and the German High Command had deliberated and formulated even before the Nazi Party's rise to power in 1933, while the scope and aim of the former German Führer and the Nazi Party's plans for the New European Order evolved and changed in aim over the course of the War, the general goal always remained the same for those in the highest echelons of the German Reich's leadership, the formation of a Greater Germany that stretched from the English Channel to the Ural Mountains, assimilating the various nations of the larger Germanic world into a single unified Germanic nation headed from the German capital of Berlin, the ideal of "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer" (One People, One Reich, One Leader), a common quote found in much of the German propaganda of the Era, and served as the German Reich's ultimate main goal in the West, to reunite the Germanic people's who had strayed from the "Deutsches Vaterland", the German nation would bring their "Ethnic brothers" back into the fold, incorporating the former nations of Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxemburg, Denmark and Norway into the Greater Reich, as well as large chunks of France, who's border with Germany reverted to that of the ancient Holy Roman Empire (or First Reich, as described in Nazi histography).

the German leadership began working on expelling the Frenchmen living in a strip of territory annexed from France known as the "Territory of German Settlement", the German's overall plans were for the region to be cleansed of it's French population and colonized by German settlers from other parts of Europe, as well as Volksdeutsche from across Europe, as for the other territory annexed, the former nations of Western Europe soon found themselves liquidated and divided into several Reichsgau, Belgium was divided into two Reichsgau (Wallonien and Flandern), neighboring Netherlands was incorporated as "Reichsgau Westland", Luxembourg was incorporated into the pre-existing Reichsgau Moselland, while Denmark was incorporated as "Reichsgau Nordmark", (Northern March), Norway remained under Military Administration, however plans for transfer to Civilian Rule as "Reichskommissariat Norwegen" were being planned by German leadership, Overall the situation in the West was better off for those incorporated into the Reich then those of the East, their ethnic similarity to the Germans meant that incorporation into the Reich was smoother then that in the East, the existing local population was trusted more by Berlin to handle civilian affairs due to their "Aryanness", their direct incorporation into the Reich meant they were in a better position then other annexed people's of the Reich, however the areas in the West still suffered under the suppression of Berlin, as the SS and Gestapo assumed the duties of stamping out local resistance and anti-German opposition, as well as undertaking the overall brutal task of eradicating the separate National and Cultural Identities of the local populations in the annexed territories of the West.

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a photo taken of the Parade in downtown Berlin that occurred during the First Siegtag (Victory Day) celebrations conducted on July 19th, 1947 throughout the entire Greater German Reich, the date of the signing of the Treaty of Geneva was declared a Reich National Holiday by Führer Adolf Hitler upon it's signing, with 1947 being the first formal celebrations of the Siegtag.

Over in the East was however a completely different matter, The territory annexed from the Soviet Union had long been desired by the Reich's leadership as living space for the German people, the rich and fertile agricultural and resource rich lands of European Russia were seen as the perfect territory for the Aryan race to expand into, not only relieving , in the minds of the German leadership, the Fatherland of the constraints of the ever growing population of the Reich, but providing resource rich lands from which the Reich could sustain herself from inwards agriculturally and industrially, eliminating the need for relying on outside Food sources that had long plagued the German nation in many previous Wars.

the annexed territory, populated mainly by Russians and various other Slavic people's, brought the Reich millions of new subjects, these millions of new subjects were deemed by the twisted ideology of the Nazi Party to be "untermenschen" or Sub-Human, people's deemed by the racial theories of the Reich to be unsuitable for life, the overall scope of the plans for the East, known as "Generalplan Ost" to those in the Nazi High Command, would see the local Slavic population of the newly conquered territories either outright exterminated in the various Death Camps located across Europe, run by the Party's Paramilitary Arm, the SS, some were deemed to be used as Forced Laborers, Worked to Death as they built fortifications and other construction works undertaken by the German Reich across the vast expanse of it's territory, while others lucky enough were just forced across the border into the remnants of Russia, even then however, millions of Slavs would die making the trip, serving Nazi goals even further, the Scope of Generalplan Ost and German goals in the East were to see the local Slavic populations of Eastern Europe either completely exterminated or enslaved, while the land would be colonized with German settlers, and through a process of colonization, would become as German as Munich or Berlin, some of Berlin's new subjects found themselves within the ever expanding scope of the Aryan Ideal, the Ideal which originally encompassed Native Germans with "pure blood" it's scope expanded as the War dragged on, and Slavs deemed to have a sufficient amount of desirable racial characteristics (such as the Aryan Blond Hair and Blue Eyes) and blood deemed were given the opportunity to become "Honorary Germans", where they would over time become fully accepted members of the German "Volk", gaining all the rights of the normal "Aryan" citizens of the Reich, those who attempted to resist Re-Germanization efforts saw themselves suffering the same unfortunate fates as their fellow ethnic cousins and other people's deemed undesirable by the Reich.


German Propaganda from the War, with the slogan "Hitler the Liberator!" written in Ukrainian, the Nazi's made several attempts, these attempts pushed by one Alfred Rosenburg, to paint themselves as Liberators of the Ukraine from Soviet tyranny

The Territory Annexed by the Greater German Reich from the Soviet Union was large, encompassing all of the USSR West of the Urals, the Task of undertaken Generalplan Ost and preparing the territories for full integration into the Reich was placed under the management of the Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, headed by Alfred Rosenburg, devised the overall plan for the territorial organization of the new Eastern Territories, suggested the division of the Eastern Territories into several "Reichskommissariate", to facilitate the break-up of the Soviet Union and Russia as a geographical entity West of the Urals, the conquered Soviet territory would be divided into several Reichskommissariate: which were named Ostland, Ukraine (who's territory was massively expanded Eastwards towards the Volga), Kaukasus, and Moskowien, these Reichskommissariat's existed outside of the Greater German Reich in a direct legal sense, functioning as de jure independent states, but the Civil Authority of the Reichskommissariat's, headed by a Reichskommissar, however the various Reichskommissar's ruled their assigned territories as German Governor's representing and working on behalf of the Führer, with Berlin controlling their foreign policy and having final say over politics within the entities, in a technical sense making the territories nothing more then German colonies, territories destined for eventual direct incorporation into the Reich proper, the Reichskommissar's were tasked with exploiting the natural resources of the Reichskommissariat's for the benefit of the German Reich, as well as coordinating colonization efforts, and working with both the SS and the various Einsatzgruppen to liquidate those deemed undesirable by the Regime, Several Parts of the annexed Eastern Territories saw themselves incorporated in other matters however, Bessarabia and Transnistria, including the Port of Odessa, were incorporated into neighboring Romania, while large parts of Northern Russia were gifted to co-belligerent Finland due to their contributions during the War against the Soviet Union, and despite it's geographical proximity to the Reichskommissariat Ukraine and on the insistence of Hitler himself, the Crimean Peninsula and small parts of the mainland in Southern Ukraine, were directly incorporated into the German Reich as a new Reichsgau, known as "Gotenland" (literally, Land of the Goths), with Theodorichshafen (formerly known as Sevastopol before the War), becoming the eventual home of the German Black Sea Fleet as well as Capital of the Reichsgau, Gotenland's local inhabitants were declared to be cleaned out and the area recolonized by Germans immediately as per Fuhrer Directive 29, the first Directive issued by Hitler and the German since before the signing of the Treaty of Geneva that ended the Second Great War.


Philippe Pétain, Chief of the French State (known to those who oppose the legitimacy of the German backed regime as Vichy France), addresses crowds in Paris upon his return to the city at the end of the Second Great War.

Elsewhere in Europe, the new European Order took shape outside of the Reich proper, Germany's ally, Italy, took her place as the Southern Flank of Fortress Europe and Protector of the Mediterranean, the Italians, after long evaluations by Italian leader Benito Mussolini, began massive programs to reform the Royal Army and the Regina Marina after the failures of Italy's offensive actions during the Second Great War and the loss of her entire Colonial Empire to the British, however in a attempt to save face, her gains in Europe were deemed sufficient enough to blowback against the loss of Africa, with Italy establishing herself as the hegemon of the Balkans, other German Ally's, such as Slovakia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania soon focused themselves into the New European Order was bulwarks of Germany's Southern Flank alongside the Italians, in Western Europe, the German military occupation of France formally ended and full civilian control of France was handed to Petain and the Vichy government, who moved French governmental operations back to Paris from the Wartime Capital of Vichy, while Petain and the French government had nominal control of all of France, the French Atlantic Coast remained under the de facto control of the German Military, who kept control of the Coast as well as it's garrison along the Atlantic Wall defense system that stretched from Wilhelmshaven to the Spanish Border, which was being extended now that peace had been established with the Western Allies, the French regime in Paris also had to compete with Charles De Gaulle's French Republic, based in Algiers, for legitimacy as the one and only France.

With the end of the Second Great War, the only countries within the New Europe that remained outside of direct Axis influence of control were Switzerland, Sweden, Spain and Portugal, however both Switzerland and Sweden, despite their neutrality, would be forced to establish close ties with the Reich, considering the precarious position they sat in surrounding by the Axis in Europe, while the Fascist Governments in Portugal and Spain, led by Antonio Salazar and General Francisco Franco respectively, were both friendly to Berlin, leaving the last bastion of Freedom in Europe as the British Isles.


Next Time, we will explore the effects of the Peace of Geneva on the Western Allies, and how they reacted to the events of 1946, however despite the end of the War, is the conflict truly over? this question would be tested on a fateful day in Summer of 1947
 
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Interesting question.

The U.S. did a lot of... debatable things in the war against Japan, starting almost from the very start when it declared unrestricted submarine warfare would be U.S. policy. It was a great tactic, and made sense when fighting an Island Empire, but was a bit disingenuous when DC had been screaming about the Reich doing the same thing for better than two years.

Maybe the OP will expand on the question.

BTW: to the OP, a legend for that map would be most helpful.

I imagine US policy wouldn't overall change much, I don't imagine FDR and Mac, as well as others way of handling the Japanese would be changed much by different attitudes regarding Europe, especially with a US that can put all of her massive amount of resources against the Japanese Empire, and no matter what, the tactics still made complete sense and worked well when fighting a Island Empire such as Japan, I imagine the overall course of the Pacific War goes similar, however due to the fact the US has the ability to turn everything against Japan, the War is going to done with much earlier then OTL, early 44 is what I had set it as in the overall timeline here, and I believe is really the farthest Japan could've lasted with the full brunt of the US Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force directed towards her Empire, the Japanese barely lasted as long as they did without all of the US's resources geared towards the Pacific, I can't imagine how much better a position the United States is in her with being able to focus all her energy against Japan, through a shorter War also means less casualties overall as the US has less trouble grinding their way through the Pacific, and probably butterflies some of the more debatable acts the US undertook in the Pacific, but that is just my two cents on the matter and what I believe.

as for the Legend, I will re upload the map with a Legend, thanks for reminding me.
 
Here's a updated map with a legend, my legend is a bit crap through, it does just get the picture across like I wanted.

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Okay I'll accept it for the sake of the story. So it's similar to the novel Fatherland? Minus the occupation of Great Britain. Germany got stupidly lucky in knocking out the USSR and not being complete dickshites to the UK enough to warrant full blown retaliation. I'm interested, ALT Cold Wars do fascinate me.

What is going on in Manchuria though? Is that going to be handed back to the Republic of China? I'm also imagining that the Chinese Communists are not going to be as successful in this TL either.
 
Really? it sounded coherent to me.

I will jump in on this too. The sentences while coherent are laborious to read and would benefit from more full stops.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact had always been seen as a temporary measure by the German government, especially that of German Führer Adolf Hitler, whom saw the rich agricultural lands of Western Russia as the perfect land for the German people to grow and expand, and achieve their destiny to expand the "Master Race's Lebensraum (Living Space)" in the name of the "Drag nach Osten" (Drive To the East) ideal, the idea of Lebensraum and Drag nach Osten was a core ideal of Nazi ideology, which sought to expand the Germanic people's, whom Nazi ideology suggested was being choked and starved within their current borders, using previous blockades during Wartime, including the British blockade during the First War as examples of how limited the German people's space was, and the rich lands of Western Russia and the Ukraine were seen as the perfect lands to circumvent these food problems, so the German nation could sufficiently have the room to grow properly and feed themselves, and protect themselves against outside threats, cutting dependency on the outside world's resources and ensuring Germany had all the resources she needed within her own borders, thanks to securing their positions against the British, the German Army had over a year to prepare for the campaigns in the East.

I would have written the paragraph like this. (note the gaps between sentences are only there to easily see where I made edits.)

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact had always been seen as a temporary measure by the German government, especially that of German Führer, Adolf Hitler.

Hitler saw the rich agricultural lands of Western Russia as the perfect place for the German people to grow, and achieve their destiny of expanding the "Master Race's Lebensraum" (Living Space).

This was done in the name of the "Drag nach Osten" (Drive To the East) ideal, a core component of Nazi ideology, which suggested Germany was being choked and starved within their current borders.

The Party cited previous blockades during Wartime, including the British blockade during the First War as examples of how limited the German people's space was, and the rich lands of Western Russia and the Ukraine were seen as the perfect way to circumvent these food problems.

This would ensure that the German nation could have sufficient room to grow properly, feed themselves, and protect themselves against outside threats, cutting dependency on the outside world's resources by ensuring Germany had all the resources she needed within her own borders.

Thanks to securing their positions against the British, the German Army had over a year to prepare for the campaigns in the East.

It just makes things less exhaustive to read. The content is fine, just needs to have more breaks in it. :)
 
Okay I'll accept it for the sake of the story. So it's similar to the novel Fatherland? Minus the occupation of Great Britain. Germany got stupidly lucky in knocking out the USSR and not being complete dickshites to the UK enough to warrant full blown retaliation. I'm interested, ALT Cold Wars do fascinate me.

What is going on in Manchuria though? Is that going to be handed back to the Republic of China? I'm also imagining that the Chinese Communists are not going to be as successful in this TL either.


This is nothing like Fatherland, in the fact of this TL is based on a very improbable but entirely plausible set of events that could've led to German victory, unlike Fatherland which pulled a German victory out of it's ass somehow with a POD after D-Day, but other then that, pretty much that.

As for Manchuria, it will be handed back to the Republic of China, it is just under temporary American administration at this point, as for the Chinese Communists, maybe, maybe not, we'll see.
 

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While not really vital to the main subject (at least at this point, although it could be later):

1. China. Without the USSR able to provide support, especially weapons and cash, in its reduced state, would Mao have a chance against a Western supported Nationalist government?

2. The British Empire. The Empire's days were numbered, especially after the myth of colonial invincibility was destroyed by the Japanese. India isn't going to suddenly have Gandhi evaporate. The U.S. was also quite anti-colonialism (yes, I know; nevertheless its still a position that was consistent since the late 1920s).

Couple things to keep in mind.
 
While not really vital to the main subject (at least at this point, although it could be later):

1. China. Without the USSR able to provide support, especially weapons and cash, in its reduced state, would Mao have a chance against a Western supported Nationalist government?

2. The British Empire. The Empire's days were numbered, especially after the myth of colonial invincibility was destroyed by the Japanese. India isn't going to suddenly have Gandhi evaporate. The U.S. was also quite anti-colonialism (yes, I know; nevertheless its still a position that was consistent since the late 1920s).

Couple things to keep in mind.

1. Well, to be brutally honest China, especially the Chinese Civil War, is not my area of expertise, I don't see much wiggle room for Mao here, for one he doesn't have the resources of Manchuria to draw from since the US invaded and captured Manchuria ITTL instead of the USSR, I feel the KMT is in a much stronger position to finish Mao and the Communists off compared to OTL, and the defeat of the USSR might cause a collective blowback to Mao and the discrediting of Communism, but Mao could still pull something off? I am not sure, I think the advantage lies with Kai-Shek and the KMT here.

2. Oh definitely, however I imagine De-Colonization is going to be even bloodier of a affair ITTL, not only with the British attempting to keep the Empire together, but with the Americans and British attempting to prop up De Gaulle and the Free French in Africa.
 
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2. Oh definitely, however I imagine De-Colonization is going to be even bloodier of a affair ITTL, not only with the British attempting to keep the Empire together, but with the Americans and British attempting to prop up De Gaulle and the Free French in Africa.

If the Free French goes down, that they might go to Quebec.
 
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