Map Thread XI

[Lord Hastur of Carcosa]

Damn it, I always get something wrong with Italian, I suppose I get over-confident because I studied Italian for a while. But finishing a map at 3 am also helps to make mistakes. Allora, è il mappa ma non la mappa? They should teach that in A2 Italian classes

As a trick, look at the final letter of the last noun and go for that.
La mappa (the map) is female, but Il Mappa(-)Mondo (the World-map) is male because Il Mondo (the World), the last name of the compound, is male.

If you find a different Triestian shield, you could PM me, and that way I'll change it. I had also thought of perhaps using the Friulian flag for the Republic, rather than the halberd from Trieste.

Do that. It would make more sense historically.

Also, isn't Corsican entirely different from Italian? IIRC Sardinian and Corsican form their own group of languages, and because of isolation they are quite close to Latin, which is why Dante despised them saying "Sardos etiam, qui non Latii sunt sed Latiis associandi videntur, eiciamus, quoniam soli sine proprio vulgari esse videntur, gramaticam tanquam simie homines imitantes: nam domus nova et dominus meus locuntur" basically that instead of creating their own language they preferred to imitate Latin as they said domus mea instead of la mia casa or ma maison.

Sardinians are a completely different people, linguistically, culturally and, it would appear, ethno-genetically, but Corsicans are closer to Ligurians and Tuscanians to some extent, though the Genoese, theyr former masters, despised them and considered them troubblesome savages, which is why they happily ceded the island to France.

PS: When did people stop calling Florence Fiorenza instead of Firenze? Because I had thought of writing Fiorenza (I actually like that spelling better) but I couldn't find any mention of when it was no longer used and only that it is an archaic name for the city.

That's hard to say, even for me; there is a gap in the study of italian litterature that goes from Rinascimento to Risorgimento, that is early 1500s (when Fiorenza was more widely used, though somewhat interchangeably with Firenze) to mid 1800 (when it was definitely Firenze). I would say the shift happened at some point between 1510 and 1840, but I can't go beyond that.

 

[Nanwe]

As a trick, look at the final letter of the last noun and go for that.
La mappa (the map) is female, but Il Mappa(-)Mondo (the World-map) is male because Il Mondo (the World), the last name of the compound, is male.

My problem was not that, really but I extrapolated from Spanish (my mother tongue) where it's "el mapa" instead of "la mapa". I suppose that it must be one of our exceptions. But in Italian you do have il pilota, don't you?

Do that. It would make more sense historically.

I meant the eagle, but yeah. Thanks. Btw, does my idea of using Friulian for Triestine Republic make sense at all? Because it seems that the Dalmatian languages were already quite dead even by the 1850s so I don't know.

Sardinians are a completely different people, linguistically, culturally and, it would appear, ethno-genetically, but Corsicans are closer to Ligurians and Tuscanians to some extent, though the Genoese, theyr former masters, despised them and considered them troubblesome savages, which is why they happily ceded the island to France.

So the Corsicans are more Italian than the Sardinians? Well, that's ironic.

That's hard to say, even for me; there is a gap in the study of italian litterature that goes from Rinascimento to Risorgimento, that is early 1500s (when Fiorenza was more widely used, though somewhat interchangeably with Firenze) to mid 1800 (when it was definitely Firenze). I would say the shift happened at some point between 1510 and 1840, but I can't go beyond that.

Thanks. So basically, the term Firenze was well established by the time of the Risorgimento? I guess I won't change it.

 

[Lord Hastur of Carcosa]

My problem was not that, really but I extrapolated from Spanish (my mother tongue) where it's "el mapa" instead of "la mapa". I suppose that it must be one of our exceptions. But in Italian you do have il pilota, don't you?

Well' Yes. That has a tricky history dating back to Latin, which may accaunt for the difference with Spanish as well. Italian is a complicated language.

I meant the eagle, but yeah. Thanks. Btw, does my idea of using Friulian for Triestine Republic make sense at all? Because it seems that the Dalmatian languages were already quite dead even by the 1850s so I don't know.

There IS a signigicant friulan minority TODAY. But that is quite mixed with the Slovenian, German and Julian (eastern Venetic dialect) minorities. As I said... complicated.

So the Corsicans are more Italian than the Sardinians? Well, that's ironic.

Ditto.

Thanks. So basically, the term Firenze was well established by the time of the Risorgimento? I guess I won't change it.

You are welcome.

 

[Dustin]

does anyone have a map of Northrn Italy/Southern France lying around? I can't find one and am not able to make my own.

 

[Iserlohn]

Making steady progress! China pulled a Meiji; Portugal cut its tail off, but Brazil is doing well as the heir of the Portuguese Empire; the Dutch Empire ended during the French Revolutionary Wars, with it being partitioned between the French, the British and the Portuguese; Russia isn't really wanked (especially not considering my standards); Japan is for all intents and purposes TTL's China; France gets its empire in the South Pacific; the 13 colonies are disunited AND Spain is doing incredibly well! Only the Pacific, Africa and India need some work (which I hope to get done tomorrow), so expect to see the final result on Sunday or Monday.

 

[iori]

Making steady progress! China pulled a Meiji;

While China is one of the few states that could successfully modernize relatively quickly, it could not pull a Meiji, indeed the only country that could do so is Japan ityself as the Meiji Restoration was a highly specific event and the industrial growth was not as random as people think; Japan had had Cottage Industries for centuries and some Light Industry since the 18th century as well as having experience with large scale production (at one time Japan had more guns than all of Europe) in the past, this combined with the socioplitical nature and geography of Japan allowed for the ramping-up of Industry and fast centralization of the State which allowed for the economic and political changes to happen so quickly.

In the case of China it had some cottage industries (though more artisan based) and lots of resources to utilize, however it would not have the same advanced starting point and has the issues of not being as Centralized or the entire country instantly easily controllable as Japan.

In short while China could do what you're saying, it would take longer and they'd be pre-occupied with internal matters for awhile before thinking about the rest of the world.

 

[Alternate History Geek]

Since it got buried behind the Italy map, here's my Afrocentric-map-1975-Atlantic-hurricane-season-map again:

 

[CannedTech]

Since it got buried behind the Italy map, here's my Afrocentric-map-1975-Atlantic-hurricane-season-map again:

That's a cool concept, I don't think I've seen an alt-meteorological map in UCS form before. Is the one that hit L. Island the OTL Long Express? (I don't know the POD, I'm afraid)

 

[Alternate History Geek]

That's a cool concept, I don't think I've seen an alt-meteorological map in UCS form before. Is the one that hit L. Island the OTL Long Express? (I don't know the POD, I'm afraid)

No, it isn't - it's an ATL hurricane with no OTL counterpart. The POD is before World War I.

 

[Avskygod0]

This is one outcome of WW1 in my Dogger Bank Scenario, the less likely one IMHO but this was the easiest to complete: where the Entente win.

Is that Hungarian Serbia or Serbian Hungary?

 

[Kaiser K]

Here is the map of the Reverse Cold War, circa December 26th, 1991, the date of the end of the Union of American Socialist Republics.

 

[Alternate History Geek]

Mexico-Wank Mark 1995!

Yes, there is indeed a pluricontinental empire ruled by the Catholic Church!

 

[Beedok]

Latest map from Dimension 398. The world's mostly divied up, so there probably won't be many maps until a major war happens.

 

[B_Munro]

Latest map from Dimension 398. The world's mostly divied up, so there probably won't be many maps until a major war happens.

My kingdom for some labels, or maybe notes!

Is England under the tyrannical heel of the Celt?

Bruce

 

[B_Munro]

A bit of sillyness:


China, some six years since the Breaker of Warlords, the Exterminator of Soviet Pawns, the Expeller of Barbarian invaders (and was that plague a fortuitous coincidence or not? some people are suspicious), the President-for-Life of the Chinese Republic, having brought peace and order back to the Middle Kingdom, had himself crowned Emperor Fu Mingzhe, first Emperor of the new Liang Dynasty. Protests and revolts against this were crushed with impressive swiftness. As of 1955, the new Emperor remains remarkably hale and hardy for a man supposedly well into his 90s, but there are rumors that he has been grooming his rather terrifying granddaughter for the succession...

China is at peace. It's neighbors, perhaps not so much.

 

[Beedok]

My kingdom for some labels, or maybe notes!

Is England under the tyrannical heel of the Celt?

Bruce

Labels will come in a couple maps. England is indeed largelly under the heel of the Celts though. The Stuart restoration was mostly supported by the Irish and the English had made an attempt to go all Sakoku after getting a bloody nose from their revolution.

 

[Mathuen]

Dayum China! You scary!

 

[CyberPhoenix001]

Pretty good Bruce. I've always had a soft spot for Imperial China.

The copyright notice down the bottom was a nice touch; I take it that the United States are not quite as united as we know them to be?

However, while I assume it's meant for aesthetic effect, the font you've used isn't as easy on the eyes as your usual font. Just saying.

 

[Goldstein]

A bit of sillyness:

Fu Mingzhe I wish all silly scenarios were like that.

 

[Beedok]

That is a scary world.

Fu Mingzhe I wish all silly scenarios were like that.

What's so funny about the name? Google searching it just gets me some generic pages including a guy with that name's facebook (well technically it's written as Mingzhe Fu).