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Thanksforallthefish said:
A map for a Biopunk setting I'm making. Nothing ever happens in South America? Yeah, screw that :D

(I might have gotten a little overblown with the insurgents... but the dots only represent recent activity, not control. And if you think that's bad, well... in this setting SA is actually one of the most stable regions...)
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The idea seems interesting, though a bit of backstory would improve it alot, as would exlanations of some things (like the ocean protectorates).
 

Binky the Clown

After winning the Civil War in 1862, the Confederate States began to develop into a great power, albeit a lesser great power than its neighbor to the North. To the South, Maximilian remained in power in Mexico with Confederate help (outlasting Napoleon III himself and eventually aligning Mexico with the Central Powers), selling Sonora, Chihuahua and Baja California to the States. The Confederates even were able to snatch up Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Danish Virgin Islands in 1886. After the abolition of slavery in 1893, the Confederacy began to resemble Wilhemine Germany - a not quite authoritarian, not quite democratic society in which the Junkers (read Planters) and Military basically controlled the government.

In World War I, the Confederacy joined the Entente in 1916 due to its connections with Britain and France, and also because they promised to sell the Confederates a number of possessions in the Caribbean. The Confederate expeditionary force had some of the highest casualty rates on the western front, but the promise of those Caribbean islands kept them motivated. The CSA also helped engineer a coup to install a pro-Entente government in Mexico. In 1918, the Confederates were visibly miffed when the U.S. joined the war against Germany, and even more upset when Wilson nullified the agreement the Confederates had with the Entente.

Confederate irritation with the Entente continued to grow after the war. At the Washington Naval Conference, the Confederacy was allotted a mere 175,000-Tons. This was equal to Italy, about half of what France and Japan were given, and only a third of what the U.S. and Britain were allowed to maintain. The justification for this was that Italy and the Confederates operated in smaller bodies of water (the Mediterranean and the Gulf of Mexico) than the other powers, but this excuse did little to quell Confederate indignation. In 1922, the Mexican Government collapsed after undergoing a socialist rebellion, resulting in Mexico splintering into a number of warlord-ruled areas. The Depression, combined with resentment towards the Entente (especially the United States), resulted in the Confederacy devolving into a full-on military dictatorship. After intervening in Mexico and reducing it into little more than a Confederate colony, the CSA lost its membership in the League of Nations.

No longer bound by treaties, the Confederate States began to draw up a plan to transform Latin America and the Caribbean into its undisputed domain. This trade area was to be known as the Greater Equatorial Co-Prosperity Sphere (GEQCOPS). The Confederates, along with their allies the "ABC" countries, planned on ridding Latin America of "European and Yankee Imperialism" while creating a unified economic bloc. The Confederacy also planned to take parts of the United States, including former slave states that didn't end up as part of the Confederacy (Maryland, Delaware, Missouri and Kansas - which was included because of its connections to Missouri during "Bleeding Kansas."), and portions of the American Southwest that were below the 36th Parallel. In order to give their regime legitimacy, Southern Baptism was made the official state religion, resulting in Catholics being actively persecuted by the Confederate government. Reduced to a figurehead, the President and Confederate legislature became little more than a rubber-stamp for the militarists. The real power lay in West Point, in the hands of Field Marshal MacArthur, General Patton and Admiral Nimitz...

Yes, I know. I turned a victorious Confederacy into an Imperial Japan analogue, but atleast I gave my map a backstory. :eek: As for whom the Confederate Militarists are analogous to, I assumed that MacArthur would be Tojo (he certainly has the ego and the crazy to be a dictator ;)), Patton would be Abe, and Nimitz would be a hybrid of Admirals Yamamoto and Yonai. As for what the nations and territories on the map are analogous to...


Members of the Greater Equatorial Co-Prosperity Sphere:

Confederate States
  • 15 Confederate States - Virginia, Kanawha, Tennessee, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas, Arizona, Baja California (Japanese Home Islands)
  • Confederate Territories - Sonora, Chihuahua, Cuba, Puerto Rico (Taiwan)
  • Sequoyah (Korea)
  • Confederate Virgin Islands (Okinawa)

Planned Confederate Annexations
  • New Mexico, Southern Nevada, Missouri, Kansas (Western Siberia)
  • Southern California, Maryland, Delaware (Vladivostok/Russian Far-East)

Confederate Colonies
  • Jamaica (Hainan)
  • Other Islands/Bahamas (Mariana Islands)
  • Bermuda (Midway)
  • Central America (Indochina)
  • Gran Colombia (Indonesia)
  • Guyana (North Borneo)

Confederate Puppets
  • Mexico (Manchukuo)
  • Haiti (Philippines)

Confederate Allies
  • Argentina (Thailand)
  • Peru-Chile (Burma)
  • Brazil/Estado Novo (India/Azad Hind)

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How exactly is the Confederacy going to abolish slavery when the Confederate Constitution explicitly forbays it ever being abolished either on the state or Federal level?
 

Binky the Clown

Iori said:
How exactly is the Confederacy going to abolish slavery when the Confederate Constitution explicitly forbays it ever being abolished either on the state or Federal level?
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It was amended after it became apparent that European banks were averse to loaning money to a society that still practices chattel slavery. It was a long and drawn out emancipation, lasting from 1880 to 1896. The Planter Elite maintains control using a system resembling a cross between Sharecropping, Debt Peonage, and what Company Towns in the 1800's used. Why feed, clothe, and house slaves when you could just pay them a pittance to do the same work?

It's not really important, anyway. I just sorta' came up with a backstory to go with the map. A Confederate victory is ASB in the first place. :p
 

xt828

Iori said:
How exactly is the Confederacy going to abolish slavery when the Confederate Constitution explicitly forbays it ever being abolished either on the state or Federal level?
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Probably the same way the United States counts blacks as equals when the constitution explicitly does not.
 
The Kiat

The Kiat

xt828 said:
Probably the same way the United States counts blacks as equals when the constitution explicitly does not.
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Does the Constitution specifically say black/negro/African, or does it say held in bondage (or whatever circumlocution of slavery since that word isn't in the document). I've got a book with all those documents in it, but it's midnight and I'm too lazy right now to look it up.
 
oshron

oshron

xt828 said:
So of the ones mentioned, in 1950 you have:

So we have one and a half democracies out of the eight. Hell, five of them aren't even independent, and one is actually split in two.
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tbph, i don't quite remember if i had set up any criteria other than before/after 1950 (and a few other exceptions); i was actually mainly going off Wikipedia listings, and that was several months ago :p (remember that moé dictators thing? it was around then)

btw, here's the same world with the proper leaning designations. i also decided to recombine the Sudans

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TheseusDeuteros

Saepe Fidelis said:
To weaken Hungary at any cost, essentially.

Any more feedback would be welcome.
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Why is Hungary to be weakened? Because it's against the reforms regarding the Imperial Federation and how its politics work?
And how did you make Slovakia's borders? What define them?

Also, why is Galicia a bit bigger than in our world? Because of the Second Northern War in which the Austria annexed that piece of land?
 
Alex Richards

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Thanksforallthefish said:
A map for a Biopunk setting I'm making. Nothing ever happens in South America? Yeah, screw that :D



(I might have gotten a little overblown with the insurgents... but the dots only represent recent activity, not control. And if you think that's bad, well... in this setting SA is actually one of the most stable regions...)
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An interesting note that may help many Future TL mapmakers is that given the good state of CariCom, Suriname is actually more likely to join a Commonwealth/Caribbean block than an EU based one.

Indeed, Suriname actually applied to join the Commonwealth last November.
 

Saepe Fidelis

TheseusDeuteros said:
Why is Hungary to be weakened? Because it's against the reforms regarding the Imperial Federation and how its politics work?
And how did you make Slovakia's borders? What define them?

Also, why is Galicia a bit bigger than in our world? Because of the Second Northern War in which the Austria annexed that piece of land?
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The Slovak border is based on OTL Austro-Hungarian sub-national borders, and yes, Franz Ferdinand was historically very suspicious of the Hungarians, and having precipitated a civil war and then an enormous Great Power war, he's taken the opportunity to put the stick about.

Austria annexed a small piece of land in Galicia....because they could.
 
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Simreeve said:
Mozambique... Rwanda... Suriname...
Who's next?!?
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Well, probably South Sudan actually.

Though there's also applications from Sudan, Yemen, Somaliland, Algeria, Madagascar...

Cambodia attempted to join in 1997, Angola, Burundi, the DRC, Timor-Leste and Georgia have expressed interest. Japan once inquired about associate membership...
 
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