Map Thread XI

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Ephraim Ben Raphael

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Part Nine of my Rebel North Map Series;

Previous maps;
https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...postcount=2236
https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...postcount=2282
https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...postcount=2305
https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...postcount=2465
https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...postcount=2505
https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...postcount=2527
https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...postcount=2546
https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...postcount=2662
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=7792608&postcount=2702

The Fourth World War will be one of those wars that no one actually wins. The EUSR manages to control the channel and invade Britain, only for a mutual nuclear exchange to devastate southern England and France (small, Hiroshima style bombs as both sides want the territory). This allows a joint American-British force to defeat the first invasion; however Voroshilov keeps trying, landing again in Southern Ireland and on the Northumbrian coast. As this is going on GEACPS is pressing deep into the EUSR in Siberia and Central Asia. The Chinese and Japanese have numbers but the huge expanse of Siberia means that they face continuous resistance by Eurasian partisans and logistics are a serious problem. Central Asia goes much better. The Red Army is successful in taking the remaining British possessions in the Med and has a string of victories in North Africa, however the demands of a three front war prevent them from capitalizing on their wins and they do not push into West Africa.

The war in the west is brutal, both Britain and the EUSR are at Total War footing and small atomic devices pepper western Europe (the entire war will involve the use of 46 atomic bombs in the west and 72 in the east, most tactically) as conventional troops dig into each-other in the British isles. The American and Royal navies combined however are too much for the Red Army Navy and by late 1964 the Eurasian invaders are cut off.

The winter of 1965 is particularly bad- exacerbated by the smoke and dust thrown up from the limited nuclear exchange- and the Red Army takes advantage of it to strike back at the GEACPS forces with atomic bombs and a conventional counter-attack. Chinese and Japanese lines collapse in Siberia (there is a reason invading Siberia during a mild nuclear winter is a bad idea) and pockets of East Asian holdouts are encircled and destroyed. The Chinese army in Central Asia is cut off but manages to break out of the lines encircling it and retreats into China proper. Voroshilov tries to follow up on his victory by invading China itself, however his men only penetrate a short distance into Mongolia and Manchuria before a GEACPS nuclear and conventional counter-attack drives them out. China and Japan still have numbers after all.

World War Four is the shortest World War yet, lasting a little less than three years and ending in 1966. Crop failures and fear of the devastating power of nuclear weapons bring both sides to the table, as does the fact that they have already managed to rack up a body count bigger than World War Three with nothing to show for it and no apparent promise of victory. The EUSR cannot conquer the British Isles (their invading force is wiped out after they lose the ability to resupply them) or successfully invade East Asia, while the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere cannot successfully invade Russia, and neither America nor Britain is in any shape to try and liberate Europe. Peace negotiations are primarily a return to status quo, except in the Mediterranean and North Africa where the EUSR gains territory.

The biggest effect of the war is that the EUSR remains on a war footing even after it's over in order to better handle the devastation in Western Europe and food shortages. Since Eurasia is still on a war footing China and Japan remain on a war footing, with emphasis on 自已的歼灭 still universal. Japan has its own version of 自已的歼灭 called Daishi. In 1967 Hong Tianguang dies of a heart attack brought on by his opulent lifestyle and China is put in crisis- Hong has no surviving sons and his daughter is unsuitable (because she's a woman, she’s unsuitable because she’s a woman).

The ink on the peace treaty is scarcely dry when Goldstein and his Brotherhood (with the tacit approval of Robert Flagg) overthrow the British military dictatorship and proclaim a Union of the British Isles along English Socialist lines. American troops remain stationed throughout the islands for protections and “Big Brother” Flag is able to pressure Goldstein into ceding the British islands in the South Atlantic to America- an act which Goldstein resents. The British Empire subsequently collapses as colonial governments are unwilling to remain loyal to the new regime.

I don't want to have to list what happened to every single part of the British Empire (if you want details about a specific area then ask) but here are the major bits; a UK/BE based in South Africa that crowned the Duke of York King (the Prince of Wales couldn't make it out of Britain in time to avoid being disappeared) and is currently at war with the Republic of South Africa (SA has US backing), the African League which is a military alliance of Séparé (Apartheid) states that includes all the former British colonies in East Africa, the Pacific Commonwealth composed of Australia, New Zealand, and the British Pacific Islands (is afraid of both America and GEACPS- the Commonwealth is the world's second largest democracy after India whose democratic-ness is up for debate), and the Republic of England in Ghana.

The European empires-in-exile in Africa continue to disintegrate, exacerbated by the loss of North Africa.

In the Middle East the Iraqis defeat the Khalifate of North Syria. In Arabia the Khalifate of Mecca and the Union of Oman begin the undeclared Sand War- a war characterized by tiny bands of soldiers fighting unimportant skirmishes in the uninhabitable desert of South-East Arabia. It started when Oman discovered that Mecca was trying to take advantage of the emptiness of the region to sneak infiltrators in through there. Said infiltrators would try to reach more populated territory unnoticed where they would help organize and train Mahdist groups.

Map is of 1967. Thoughts?

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B_Munro

Thought I'd post this here as well as on the little thread...

THE REIGN OF GEORGE VI 1900-1925: a paleo-future
This little oddity, written in 1763, is now available online http://archive.org/details/reignofgeorgevi100maddrich


In it, the author predicts the glorious reign of George VI and his conquest of France in a world which is essentially 1763 only bigger and better, with no hint of an industrial revolution and a still loyal (and rather underpopulated) British North America....so, scenario.

It is 1936. About a decade has passed since the great and glorious George VI died of an obstruction of the bowels, leaving the British Empire stronger and larger than ever before, but rather overextended. Alas, his son, George VII, although hardworking and well-intentioned, is no genius, and things have spun rather rapidly out of control.

It is a world where things have remained essentially stuck in the 18th century, with events diverging sharply from OTL after 1763 in Britain, and perhaps earlier elsewhere. The Industrial Revolution failed to take off: James Watt perished in a dreadful kettle-related accident in 1764, weavers were protected from automated looms by a government concerned about social harmony, and much scientific thought was diverted into sophistical “what is knowledge” and “what is the fundamental basis of the universe” thinking of an unproductive sort. The Scottish Enlightenment was stunted.

The US revolution was averted by some divide and conquer methods combined with the carrot of some timely reforms, and George III avoided insanity, leaving a strengthened monarchy. French revolutionaries ended dangling from ropes, and barely the faintest breeze of liberalization reached the fortified heart of Mother Russia. Various wars and border changes followed, but the tenor of the world remained the same.

The British Empire is still the world’s greatest, and its rule over India remains secure thanks to the rather limited flow of democratic ideas that have reached Bombay and Calcutta: the various reform movements speak of Indians gaining the rights of Englishmen, but given how few people can vote in either Britain or the colonies, that’s not much. Outright “out of India” movements tend to rally under religious banners which even the local elites recognize as regressive. Indian home industries still prosper under a free-trade regime, safe from being undersold by British mass-produced factory goods. India and vast areas of SE Asia, along with the former Dutch East Indies, are still overall run by the East India Company, whose power has grown so great some refer to it as the “third branch of government” aside from King and Parliament.

Meanwhile, American colonies quarrel among themselves like crabs in a bucket, and as they have grown in numbers, the odds of an all-America political movement dwindle: they have (limited) representation in the British parliament nowadays, and general prosperity soothes most locals. The notion of shaking off British rule in recent years has begun to shift to a conviction that the Imperial government must one day shift its center to the American continent, as the population of North America catches up with and surpasses that of the home country.

(As of 1935, the population of British America north of the Caribbean and Mexico came to 33 millions,[1] not counting Indian nations, while Britain and Ireland combined came to some 35 millions, having long since outgrown their food supply and requiring steady imports from American farms: surplus mouths either moved to America or to the East Indian territories, where an increasingly powerful mixed Anglo-Indian caste numbered over twelve million by this point).

Britain is still a very elitist nation, dominated by nobles and big non-noble landowners with some merchants in the mix, and government ministries are full of quarreling Dukes. Indeed, democracy has to some extent declined since 1763, with the monarchy increasingly pushing around its ministers, and George VI arranging a veritable coup d’etat against his rivals in the government. Parliamentary supremacy is in very poor shape, and the very symbol of monarchist ambition is the “Super Versailles” built in the Midlands, the planned city of Stanley, where the entire government was removed from the reeks of London.

London, even without industrialization, has grown to over two million, and burns a lot of coal, brought by canal barge: it is awesomely filthy and overflowing with grimy fake-classical buildings. (After various experiments in Neo-Renaissance and Mathematically Rationalized architecture, Neo-Classical came back with a vengeance in the 20th century, and in 1936 is only now running out of steam: Stanley is a fright of enormous domes, columns, pediments, arches, etc. )

Besides being more heavily populated than 1763, Britain also has a much denser network of well-paved roads and deep canals: horse-drawn carriages balanced on ingenious contrivances of springs to minimize jolting and barges driven by wind and animal power carry huge amounts of human and material traffic. Semaphore towers allow for rapid communications in the absence of telegraphs or radio. The institutions for higher education have been greatly expanded, although perhaps with an excessive emphasis on the arts rather than practical knowledge. The comfy chair has been invented, much to the disdain of moralists.

Hanover is no longer united with Britain, but part of the Holy Roman Empire, due to some complex dynastic maneuverings, a vitally important temporary alliance with Prussia, and the need to get a complete ass out of Britain and out of the line of succession.

Slavery still exists in this world, although rather more heavily regulated and with stronger rights for slaves than OTL 1763. Abolitionist movements have bubbled up from time to time, but with all the island of the Caribbean and the US south within the Empire, and no machinery to substitute for slave labor, there has always been far too much money at stake for them to succeed. Slave labor also remains important in the Spanish Empire, while half of all Russian subjects are still under various forms of serfdom. Progressive German rulers have eliminated slavery (if not serfdom) from the Holy Roman Empire, although British slave owners snidely note that with virtually no overseas possessions, it’s not like the Germans have much use for them. British slave traders are also regulated, and the conditions on ships returning from Africa are not much worse than, say, immigrant ships carrying Irish passengers to America (only moderately lethal, in other words). Things remain ghastly on Italian, Venetian, Ottoman and Spanish slave ships. By and large, slavery is so normal and accepted a part of things that one could, say, write a history of George VI without once mentioning the institution.

If slavery is not as bad as it used to be in the Americas (Brazilian slaves now actually are self-reproducing, reducing the need for imports) a continued African slave trade has been very bad for large parts of Africa, huge areas having been almost depopulated of human beings, and state building of a particularly brutal and Darwinian sort is on-going. A bit of a slave shortage is arriving in East Africa as the only states left have embraced Islam and loads of trade guns, making further extraction by the Zanzibaris difficult: Christian local proxies from the west, Swahili Muslims from the east, look to the upper Congo basin, as the last relatively unexploited area with feeble inhabitants beckons. In the south, the Dutch cape colony has recently come into a fabulous fortune in gold and diamonds, and is Britain’s newest bestest friend. The Afro-Dutch (there was no British occupation and no Boertrek in this world) are a little uncomfortable with this, wondering how tight the British embrace may become.

Russia is a centralized absolutism, probably a more tightly run ship (certainly with rather fewer revolutionaries) than late Czarist Russia OTL. Due to a lack of railways power projection remains weak in the east, so Russia’s attention remains focused nearer to home than China or Korea. Russia’s push west, in which it took advantage of an era of British weakness to glom Scandinavia, has temporarily paused. It is currently looking south, and its victories over the Ottomans have been a soothing balm to the hurt of defeat at British hands.

The Ottomans, which managed to put up a better defense against the Russians in the latter 18th and early 19th centuries, (the Crimea wasn’t lost until the late 19th century) and were spared the rise of ethnic nationalism, are struggling to adjust to the highly efficient and organized new Russian armies, and there is considerable argument as to whether Wallachia and Moldova will be more easily held if absorbed directly into the empire or given greater autonomy in expectations they will fight, if not for the Sultan, but to keep from becoming another Russian province.

China, whose scholar-bureaucrats are oddly similar in their 18th-century style rationalism to those government agents fantasized by early 18th century European intellectuals [2], is generally run as a tighter ship than OTL Qing China, with a more extensive bureaucracy, tremendous amounts of paperwork, and lots of massive public works. Overpopulation has impoverished the country as OTL, but efficient relief work is carried out on a fine-grained level and strict government decrees limit the number of children born: a government bureau organizes large-scale child-swapping to make sure that the supply of sons is equitably shared out among the peasants. Alas, all is not well under heaven, as scholars call for revolutionary change rather than palliative methods, and ambitious officials plan to transfer millions of peasants to the relatively underpopulated regions of SE Asia. Unfortunately, there are now extensive overseas holdings by the “big-nosed sea barbarians” to the south, and their military skills, as tested in clashes in Burma, the Himalayas, and Siberia, are formidable. Fighting 18th century armies and having been rather more enthusiastic about maintaining an artillery arm than the OTL Qing post-1700, the Chinese have so far discouraged expansion into their homelands (there are treaty ports for trade, but these remain firmly under Chinese control: opium imports were stopped cold before it became a major industry) but Qing armies have proven incapable of projecting force much beyond the traditional borders. Under pressure from within and without, the ruling classes worry.

Much of Germany was unified by a dynastic union between the Hohenzollerns and the Habsburgs (the distinctly irreligious court of Prince Wilhelm didn’t give a crap about their monarch converting to Catholicism, and his Protestant subjects knew better than to make wiseass comments), but the electors of the HRE (Bavarians, Saxons, etc.) remained largely independent up until the 1920s, while pressures from French and Russians concerned re the balance of power led to Hungary being spun off as an electorate within the HRE under a subordinate branch of the royal family. (The Kaiser moves often between the “summer capital” of Berlin and the “winter capital” of Vienna. Or is it the other way around?) Only after receiving some humiliating defeats from the Russian-French combination and seeing their bacon saved by British armies, and the ascension to the throne of an energetic new monarchy has it been possible to cajole and bully the major princes and dukes and such into accepting a new centralization of the HRE, a work still in progress.

The Spanish Empire is highly authoritarian and even more conservative than the Russians: having managed to crush the local nobility when it revolted in the 19th century against centralization from Madrid, the omnipresent secret police snuff out even the smallest spark of unconventional thinking, although a vigorous growth of internal trade aided by improvements in transportation have increased the prosperity of the Empire substantially in the last century and a half. The British conquest of Mexico has had the benefit of rallying frightened South American viceroyalties to the homeland, even if it was a terrible blow to the empire’s prestige. The King is a bit uncertain about the Mexican revolt: it’s good that his former subjects are being a pain to the Brits, but he wants to know: are they revolting for him or for themselves? An unruly Mexico under British rule may be a better thing than an independent Mexico that doesn’t want to be ruled from Madrid either…

Australia has been left to the Spanish: America remained the preferred place to dump criminals (as indentured servants) well into the 19th century, when transportation for crime went out of fashion. The dry, mostly desert continent and its very primitive inhabitants simply struck the British as not worth the effort to colonize. There will be many a “D’OH!” when the Spanish discover the gold.

Italy was united not by the Sardinian/Piedmontese monarchy (crushed and conquered by the French in the early 19th century), but by the most progressive (in modern times) branches of the Bourbon family, the Neapolitans. Italy is perhaps the most liberal and least oppressive of the major European states, and Naples rivals Paris for size. They were rather alienated by the distinctly uncooperative attitude of their French cousins during their period of expansion, and their outright support for the continued existence of Venice led to a sharp break: now that the British are too tied up with fighting a French revolt, and the French too busy revolting, to interfere, the King has declared “the final unification of Italy” to be under way, and has invaded the Kingdom of Venice, which has somewhat messed up expectations by putting up quite a fight. The Germans are, meanwhile, mulling over whether or not they want to have a common border with Neapolitan Italy.

Rationalism remains the golden rule, although often abused in the pursuit of some prejudice or other: most elites subscribe to rationalist ideas, with reactionary Spain being something of an exception, not cottoning to the frequent Deism or Pantheism or even Agnosticism among foreigners. The 19th century has been a less religious one than OTL for the Anglosphere: although the American colonies are more religious than the British Isles, religious revivalism in America has been hampered by the heavy state support for Anglicanism, while the need for religious revival to pacify the horribly exploited lower classes never was as pressing in a Britain where industrialization, let alone its dark satanic mills era, never took place. There never was a Romantic movement, and mountains are mostly unproductive obstacles rather than sources of Awe. Scientific Racism” is still a young and tender shoot, and while most agree black people are probably inferior, there is less certainty about Asians and Middle Easterners in a world where the Chinese and the Ottomans still loom formidable: the general notion is still that people are pretty much the same everywhere and the main problem is that foreigners suffer from the disadvantage of not being born and raised in England/France/Germany. Art remains rather formal, and some daring Russian artists are just starting to dabble with what might be described as “expressionism.”

As mentioned before, the British are overextended. The suddenness of their defeat stunned the French for a while, and the generous and liberal hand of the conqueror helped pacify resistance, but the increasingly obvious British view that France would be better off the more Anglicized it was – including, horrors, the food - the efforts to replace Catholicism with Anglicanism, the takeover of the French economy by great British firms and enterprises, all brought French resentment to the boiling point: with a new King enthroned in London, a king rather uninterested in visiting his new European possession and happy enough to hand over most decision-making re the governing of France to various corrupt cronies, things reached a boiling point.

The French Revolt is widespread and reaches most classes, and the Popular Army, which strkes and then hides amongst the people, usually lead the British to throw fits and then massacre “communities in a state of rebel sympathy”, which in turn leads to French popular rage. Currently, British politics are deadlocked between the “grind them into submission” groups and the “make some sort of deal” groups. Things have not been helped by the breakout of a second rebellion in recently conquered Mexico, where British rule, often supplemented with rude colonial forces, was rather less closely supervised by the magnanimous George.

(The Spanish and Russians watch with Schadenfreude: the Germans, with a certain secret gladness, since many in Germany think that a Britain that could successfully absorb France and the Low Counties might start eyeing them next.)

Meanwhile, the lower nobility and middle class, noting the seeming weakness and incapability of the current monarchy (in truth facing challenges probably beyond the scope of most monarchs) are pushing for parliamentary reforms and curbs on overweening monarchical powers, a return to genuine Parliamentary supremacy. (They’re not talking about returning to London yet: Stanley really is nicer than London).

Although science has gone and got itself a bit tangled up, it has not stopped. That the earth is very, very old is increasingly generally accepted, and the notion that lifeforms have changed over time has become well known enough to inspire various competing theories: only lately have the Rational Materialists and their theory of Survival of the Most Fortunate (which disturbs the preaching classes) come to dominate the argument over the various proponents of vital forces and Divine manipulation. Telescopes and microscopes have substantially improved since 1763, and the asteroids mapped out in some detail. There is a theory of electricity and some are fiddling with ways to send signals along a lengthy wire.

Technology advances. Some quite sophisticated clockwork automata amuse the populace, and balloon races are popular. And the steam engine, long used for various toys and amusements (fairground calliopes, for instance), is being recently put to more practical purposes. Every now and then over the decades someone came up with a design for a steam-powered horseless carriage or flying machine, only to stumble over matters of practicality. But an American engineer has built a steam-powered boat which has gone quite a way up the Mississippi. In the great mining and manufacturing center of the Urals, owners of workshops terribly short of skilled labor have started to use steam-powered, automated machinery created by engineers from the St. Petersburg Royal Institute of Engineers. And in Germany, the Kaiser has decreed the creation of an “iron road” that will allow quick transport of men and materials by steam-powered “horseless carriages” from central Germany to the Russian border. Most foreign observers, so far, laugh at King Frederick’s Folly…

[1] Much more restrictions on immigration, especially of Catholics (and with only sailing ships it was harder to get there in the first place) combined with a westwards expansion rather slowed by government policy and lower birth rates without the development of modern medicine and the wealth produced by the industrial revolution: still probably far too low, but the book had only 11 million Americans around 1922…

[2] The book was written well before Macartney’s embassy to China; the lack of mention of China in the discussion of colonial possessions leads me to think that China is assumed to be a fairly formidable empire, unlikely to fall into warlordism as a result of European prodding.

Bruce
 
Seraphiel

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The Entente

Combatants
Russia, France, Hungary, Portugal, Italy etc…

Others
Mexico, Bulgaria, Greece, Iran, Argentina

The Alliance

Combatants
Britain, Japan, China, Ottomans, Germany, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Romania, Etc…

Others
Brazil, Quechua, Spain



China - The Empire of the Qing survives, modernizes and thrives. With plenty of help from Britain and the US (back then as a counter to Japan), China is now a mostly industrialized behemoth. Sure it has many problems, very low living standards, limited modernization in the outer reaches, constant rebellion in Tibet and Mongolia, and the other multitude of problems that come with fast industrialization. Hates Russia with a passion not seen often.

Japan – It modernized somewhat earlier than China, and with the help of Britain it became the Britain of Asia. The most powerful navy in Asia, a very vibrant economy, and a liberal government and population Japan is arguably much better off than China (though the two are good friends, mostly due to Russia). Ate the Philippines in the early 1900s.

German New Guinea – A bone thrown to the Germans by Britain in order to get allies on the continent. Sleepy and mostly a waste of money. Currently Japan is offering a considerable sum to buy it.

Russia – To compare this empire to OTL would be an offense to the Romanovs, scared of China they got off their asses and turned Russia into a giant easily rivaling Britain, beat up modernizing China in 1891-94 Russia and Britain have nearly come to blows more times than can be remembered. Though now in 1912 the great bear is hibernating, due mostly to a constantly sick and apathetic Czar.

Iran, squatched between Russia and Britain this poor nations has not had it easy. Though now the empire has a nice shiny army, funded by the French.

The Ottomans – Has a terrible time in the Balkans War, getting their ass to handed to them by eager Serbians, Greeks, Bulgarians and Hungarians. Later only through German and British aid did it avoid being gobbled up by the Russian bear. Now planning on creating a great new caliphate. PS, its not going anywhere.

Kingdom of Greece – Took its fair share after the Balkans War Greece is now a considerable force in the Balkans, rivaling Serbia and Bulgaria in power projections. It also has a navy that could stand toe to toe with the Turkish navy, for a little while at least.

Empire of Hungary – Broke away from Austria after Austria was “conquered” Germany/Prussia. Now an empire that is finding keeping the various ethnic groups together a very difficult task. Will never side with the Prussian lead Germany.

German Empire – In the Austro-German Empire Bismark gets a totally different mindset, why no one knows. He takes over Austria, where the people soon grow accustomed to being Germans not Austrians. France nearly declares war at that time. Due to some financial limits a far smaller colonial drive is done and Germany focuses more on Europe. Now by far the premier scientific, cultural and economical power in Europe.

French Republic – Not humiliated by the Prusso-French War France was doing much better for itself in the late 1800s. It colonial empire grew larger, at the expense of its relations with the British and in Europe its army was still feared by many. But a war in Thailand caused the Republic plenty of grief, the Thais were given large amounts of aid from the Brits and the war cost was huge causing a large economic crisis in France proper and its colonies.

Czechia – Bismark did not want a non-German province when he took over Austria so he let Czechia go on its own path. It also helped to greatly decrease tension between France and Germany. In 1912 it has one of the best trained armies in Europe, backed by Germany.

Kingdom of Italy – When it go on its feet it back it jumped up. Quickly pursuing a massive colonial empire it quickly took its fair share of Africa. Now allied with France and Russia as part of the Entente.

Scandinavia – Sweden and Norway remain united in the United Kingdom of Scandinavia. A minor power, it even has a few colonies in Africa

Liberia – This African experiment goes much better than in OTL, Liberia becomes the US of Africa. Constantly a pain in the neck to all West African colonial powers. Wants to create a giant pan-african state based on the USA.

Quechua Federation – Formerly Peru and Ecuador a large revolution by the underclass Native Americans created a native state with a high emphasize on returning to the glory days of the Inca and Moche. Modernized and now dreams of recreating the entirety of the Inca Empire, South America, except for Brazil, is very worried.

Mexico – Mexico reverses its downward spiral after the American Civil War and brings stability and prosperity back to its lands. Took over a few Central Americans countries and turned them into states, this country is hyper nationalistic though it has few realistic ambitions concerning its former territories.

USA – The Home of neutrality, as long as European powers don’t expand into the Americas Americans simply don’t give a damn, currently looking at the gathering war clouds over Europe with disgust and blames each Great Power equally over the inevitable war.

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Utgard96

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I have a hard time believing that Czechia would be on a long enough leash to receive military training from one of Germany's enemies. Bismarck would let them go absolutely nowhere except into the German camp.
 
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Ares96 said:
I have a hard time believing that Czechia would be on a long enough leash to receive military training from one of Germany's enemies. Bismarck would let them go absolutely nowhere except into the German camp.
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You got me on that one, its backed by Germany not by Russia. This is what happens when your mind wanders around while typing:D
 
Dskaar

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Ephraim Ben Raphael said:
Part Nine of my Rebel North Map Series;

Map is of 1967. Thoughts?
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Its looking good Ben! Though i was hoping for more GEACPS territorial gains against the EUSR. But with the information given on why they couldn't it is understandable! I would of also liked to see some temporary territorial gains in Europe by the Americans... Other than that its just so lovable!!!! :p
 
Alex Richards

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My entry for MOTF81. TBH, I think it was a better idea on paper than it actually turns out, but I just wanted to give it a go and see what happened.

So yeah, really quite Meta, but perhaps not the best map in the world.:eek:

Alex Richards said:
Well, I think this is much more like a proof of concept than a good map idea, but this is supposed to be something like a photograph of my workspace in the relevant ATL.

Also featuring a disputed region who's boundaries are themselves disputed.

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Gryphon

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Alex Richards said:
My entry for MOTF81. TBH, I think it was a better idea on paper than it actually turns out, but I just wanted to give it a go and see what happened.

So yeah, really quite Meta, but perhaps not the best map in the world.:eek:
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That's excellent. :) The background details work really well.

And in its category (meta-AH.COM map), it's probably the best of the ones I've seen (including this one from waaaay back that Thande kindly pointed out to me when I made my own).
 
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